Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @[email protected]

For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.

More context:

It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment

a note on the uyghurs (click to show

For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there’s a lack of evidence that it’s a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).

Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262

He mentions this:

We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.

Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I’ll get to that later.

After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:


source

He said that it’s different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the “Tank Man” picture to [email protected], as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819

He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.

He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:

The relevant ones here are:

They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.

After a bit more arguing (I’m not posting the specific comments because it’s tedious, and they’re easy to see by scrolling through goat’s profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.

note on the post that comment was in reply to

I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what’s happening to the Uyghurs, they’re saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:

Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn’t give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They’re just doin’ the usual bad faith takes.

Feel free to quote me lol

Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615

  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
    478·
    3 days ago

    Two notes on your Uighurs note:

    1- You can absolutely have religion-based genocide. Our old friend ISIS has one under its belt.

    2- The Uighurs are absolutely being targeted for their ethnicity. I mean, even the official excuse is Uighur separatism. That’s why characteristics of Uighur culture and language unrelated to religion are also being targeted. It’s also why the other Muslim groups in China (and there are many of them; Uighurs aren’t even the largest Muslim ethnic group in China) aren’t targeted like the Uighurs are. The goal is to make Turkic peoples in Xinjiang either cease to matter or cease to exist; the fact that those groups tend to be majority Muslim is a geographical coincidence.

    • mathemachristian [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      214·
      2 days ago

      Here I am once more asking libs to install xiaohongshu and look for Uighur culture and language being celebrated and shared among chinese people on a chinese app. It’s so easy to debunk this stuff yourself, try it.

      • krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        15·
        2 days ago

        “Well, how can their culture be erased if people meme it?!??”

        That’s what it sounded like. Also just because their culture and language are being celebrated, it means nothing if nobody practices it.

        • Flyberius [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          31·
          8 hours ago

          I’m just gonna say I’ve spent months in Xinjiang. Please just go so that you can experience first hand how much you are lied to by western propaganda.

          I know there’s zero chance you will, but I had to say something

        • mathemachristian [he/him]@hexbear.net
          52·
          2 days ago

          Its not memes though, its people practicing their culture, showing the uighur script, language, cooking uighur food and wearing traditional clothes. Whole street festivals filmed and shared for the whole world and the chinese first to see. The very things that are being claimed to be erased are celebrated and you can see it for yourself. If nothing else learn something about the culture you are so defensive of.

    • Chana [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      253·
      2 days ago

      The idea that “the goal” is to eliminate Turkic peoples in Xinjiang is absurd and not even what the fed-adjascent propagandists claim.

      • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
        411·
        2 days ago

        The goal is to assimilate the pliable ones into han majority… That’s how han colonialism works

        Russia practices the same colonial style. Kill off opposition and assimilate useful idiots.

          • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
            19·
            2 days ago

            This is a well documented practice of the Chinese regimes going back 2000-2500 thousand years.

            • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
              91·
              2 days ago

              Of course, it’s in their nature. It’s basic evolutionary psychology. It’s indelibly baked into the Han DNA, as you can see from the jawline on the mongoloid skull.

              Why would you go online and tell on yourself like this?

              • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
                17·
                2 days ago

                No it is their history of colonization via conquest and assimilation.

                Their behaviour in Tibet and Xinjiang speaks for itself but the play book goes back 1st millenia of BCE

                Russia is doing the same thing in occupied ukraine. They did it in baltics and Kazakhstan during Soviet and imperial rule among other subjugated peoples.

                Both are also xenophobic or as you would “racist” for that westoid audience. Just like Anglo white is in his countries.

                • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  71·
                  2 days ago

                  Amazing. Good bit, Mr. Rational, Sober, Facts & Logic Adult In the Room. I look forward to your next history lesson.

                  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
                    16·
                    2 days ago

                    Just providing historical context to your pro Chinese/russia regime shilling, dear, the class deserves to hear both sides of the Imperialist history lesson.

                    We wouldn’t want them to assume that only dirty anglos do it ;)

                    Since we are all interested in progress here, right?

          • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
            26·
            2 days ago

            When their enabled for the incoming regime that’s literally their job. Drown out opposition and present the narrative as if it was already settled.

            Just look at Russian propaganda early into ukraine war. You would have thought there was nobody left to fight in ukraine.

    • youVotedFotGenocide@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      51·
      2 days ago

      And if I meet a Chinese person I’ll be sure to express my concerns.

      Now maybe we can do something about the genocide the west is doing. You know, since that’s where most of us lives.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        63·
        2 days ago

        Ths context here is instance drama and the Uighur genocide, though, not about the West’s genocide. I hate Israel, its genocide and those who support it with every fibre of my being, but I’m not sure how that relates to the conversation.

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          22·
          1 day ago

          and those who support it with every fibre of my being

          So you hate the people accusing China of genocide? Because all the main “sources” support Israels genocide

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2127·
      2 days ago

      The goal is to make Turkic peoples in Xinjiang either cease to matter or cease to exist;

      Of course, because of Jason Bourne and the Han Supremacy. As we know from the features of the Mongoloid brain pan, Han Chinese are ruthless, devious, and have little regard for human life.

      This shit is just wypipo projecting their 500 years of racist, imperialist, genocidal history onto their perceived enemy today. It’s re-warmed orientalism for the new cold war. Uyghurs have lived there for centuries, but now all of a sudden the Han want to wipe them from existence, because… what? They woke up on the wrong side of the bed at the turn of the millennium?

      Why would people of a millennia-long multi-ethnic culture, whose standard of living has been steadily improving over the last several decades with no sign of stopping, want to go on a genocidal rampage?