When having to admit their fault the moderator started looking for arbitrary reasons to ban me. Such as not using the exact terminology of the Amnesty report. Which does not call it genocide.

The moderator is also watching user votes, and calling out people not voting with him.

  • Karn, Liberated@anarchist.nexusEnglish
    374·
    7 days ago

    Seeing how Goat tried to ping db0 because they voted in the thread to drag them into debate, I’m gonna go with PTB on this one.

    If they wanted to prove their point, they should have given links that proved their point.

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      175·
      6 days ago

      On top of everything else, using mod/admin privileges to reveal users’ votes is just bad form.

      • Grimy@lemmy.world
        121·
        6 days ago

        The main reason reddit is shit is because it’s so easy to manipulate votes. I’m happy most lemmy instances have public voting.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
          143·
          6 days ago

          Reddit is easy to sockpuppet because it’s a corporation with one primary goal: MUA go up. Ad sales and user data sales. If the vote manipulation and shill posts/comments don’t hurt user engagement metrics then they don’t care.

      • Mubelotix@jlai.lu
        68·
        6 days ago

        User votes are public on Lemmy. One should be held accountable for their votes

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
          145·
          6 days ago

          User votes are public on Lemmy.

          The only reason they’re “public” is an artifact of ActivityPub’s architecture that can’t be designed around, because if it could be, it would be. Users who continue to expose votes after being warned may get banned (which thankfully is extremely rare so far). Instances like lemvotes.org get defederated.

          One should be held accountable for their votes

          They are held accountable, by the mods & admins. Vote spam/manipulation accounts get banned.

          • Grimy@lemmy.world
            31·
            6 days ago

            Users who continue to expose votes after being warned may get banned

            Depends on the instance I think.

            They are held accountable, by the mods & admins.

            So correct me if I’m wrong but regular mods can’t see it and only admins.

            So this is just an anecdotal impression but when lemvotes came online, a few mods and users got called out for their zionist voting. After that, the amount of pro Israel propaganda being upvoted, posted and commented went down by quite a bit.

            It’s too much to ask of admins imo, going through downvotes. More importantly, I’d rather the bad actors have potentially any one of us to fear instead of a just a handful of already too busy admins.

            • Blaze@lazysoci.alEnglish
              11·
              6 days ago

              regular mods can’t see it and only admins.

              Regular mods can see since a few months now. I didn’t use to be the case.

            • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
              92·
              6 days ago

              Depends on the instance I think.

              Of course. I can only speak to lemmy.ml. Other instance admins are welcome to add their 2¢.

              So correct me if I’m wrong but regular mods can’t see it and only admins.

              Until recently that was true, but I think mods can now see the votes in their communities.

              It’s too much to ask of admins imo, going through downvotes.

              Could be. I think at least one instance has built tooling/automation around it. The thing is, dealing with users getting into arguments/fights/vendettas over votes may also be a lot to ask of admins.

    • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
      366·
      7 days ago

      Never mind that anarchists are explicitly anti-authoritarian, apparently db0 is a tankie now? Lol, yep checks out. Those twatwaffles think a “tankie” is anyone who is critical of the Dems, or of US foreign policy. OPs comments were also accurate imo regarding China’s influence in Myanmar being a much stronger example of Chinese imperialism.

      The libs have got some nerve getting hysterical about the Uyghurs when they obviously couldn’t give two shits about their own government (and their own party) continually voting to keep supplying weapons to Israel in order to continue its genocide in Gaza. Has China been shitty and authoritarian towards the Uyghurs? Yes, no doubt. Is it a genocide of the type and scale that Israel is currently waging? Absolutely not.

      PTB

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        295·
        6 days ago

        I always said it was only a matter of time before the social fascists that call MWoG their home would turn on even dbzer0. It’s the classic Nazi bar, they outright fabricate info, erase context, welcome Zionists and other fascists, it was only a matter of time before they got even greedier and started attacking anarchists for being “tankies.”

        It’s not a coincidence that they call us “roaches” or “degenerates,” it’s because it’s a cryptofash meeting spot.

        Edit: lmao, seems I pissed off the social fascist. I couldn’t even engage if I wanted to interact with your Nazi bar, because PJ bans me from every comm they mod because they lost an argument in a comm they don’t mod. Go fuck yourself, fascist. Keep spreading hasbara, keep tending your garden of Zionists. Palestine will be free, and there’s nothing you can do to stop that.

        • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          212·
          7 days ago

          Can you go into more detail? I know Pug’s had some awful experiences with db0’s instance, but they’re banned and can’t share that, which I find highly suspect

            • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              212·
              7 days ago

              My shitty behaviour?

              How so? Was the OP not violating the rules?

              Or are you admitting that this community isn’t actually about moderator misconduct but instead a way to attack others based on their views?

              • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
                121·
                7 days ago

                The shitty behavior was pinging an instance admin in an unrelated thread to accuse them of being a tankie for downvoting a comment. And what’s also shitty imo is claiming that folks who think the whole Uyghur genocide in China is massively overblown by the West are all tankies. It’s entirely possible to believe China is a hugely authoritarian State and also that the Uyghur “genocide” claims are mostly overblown and misrepresented by the West. I’m no China fan, but they certainly aren’t bombing the shit out of the Uyghurs or peppering civilians with grenades dropped from drones, like US-backed Israel is. You guys love the lesser evil argument, so to put it in a way you will understand: many folks think China is the lesser evil compared to the US, and that doesn’t make those folks tankies. It just means they recognise that the list of shitty things the US has done in the past 50 years far, far outweighs the list of shitty things that China has done in the same period.

                • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  29·
                  7 days ago

                  If you read my comment, you’d know the reason why I pinged, which was to lead up to my complaint about this community. That this community isn’t actually about moderator misconduct but instead a way to attack others based on their views, or in my case, just making shit up about my views despite me clarifying what they are.

                  When it comes to atrocity, there’s no ‘lesser evil’ or justification or differentiation for it. There’s no excuse at all; that’s why they’re atrocities. I don’t care who they come from, if they hurt people, I don’t like them.

                  • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
                    91·
                    7 days ago

                    When it comes to atrocity, there’s no ‘lesser evil’ or justification or differentiation for it. There’s no excuse at all; that’s why they’re atrocities. I don’t care who they come from, if they hurt people, I don’t like them.

                    Exactly. So why rage at anarchists when fighting authoritarian states is literally our whole thing? It’s just because we are also highly critical of the US and the Dems in particular, because they are always banging on about being the “lesser evil” like its some sort of gotcha. To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition. Meanwhile the Dems have consistently voting with Trump to keep arming Israel, and there is no sign of them changing their position. So what irks me and others is the double standard. Most Democrat representatives have repeatedly denied Gaza is a genocide, and continue to do so, but I don’t see you banning people who attempt to downplay the role of the US in that genocide as being tankies.

          • AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world
            5·
            6 days ago

            Ban was fair. Misunderstanding on my part. I think the disengage rule, while hard to locate for the average newcomer, is a decent idea.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            32·
            7 days ago

            I was temp-banned. The only awful experience I had was the temp-ban, which was over the admins deciding that downvoting things you disagree with is, apparently, against the rules (when they want it to be).