Did the leaders suffer? Was it recorded? A lot of us would pay to watch that.
Donald J Trump hasn’t anal probed me, or harvested my organs, or put me into a slave labor camp on Omnicron Persei 5.
Yet.
probably because your too old and don’t look like his daughter.
It’s only his first year of being senile dictator, give him some time
Hasn’t done so yet, you mean?
Humans then explain the aliens their situation on earth
The aliens: “Holy Viltrum… listen humans… we were actually gonna take over your and enslave you but it seems like you went through worse than we did…”
are there any stories (real/fictional) where a relatively brutal invader was less brutal than the people they ousted and somehow they are considered liberating heroes, and the public is ok with their repressive policies because they are better than before. and the leader is trying to keep the evil lotd vibes going on but he’s beloved by the public.
feel like it would make for great comedy.
There’s a I guess you could call niche? trope? in some fantasy anime/manga where the protagonist is actively trying to be a villain but is constantly being misunderstood by the people as being some sort of saint.
I can think of two different ones from the top of my head, one called “I’m the Evil Lord from an Intergalactic Empire” and another called “The Mistaken Saintly Life of a Villainous Scion”, the former fitting closer to what you asked for than the latter. Note, however, that I am not recommending either of them. The former is entertaining enough and I haven’t read the manga to give an opinion on it, but the anime isn’t that big of a deal imo, whereas the latter is just straight up trash.
There is a sci fi series called the Damned Trilogy where warring space aliens stumble across humans and one faction enlists them because they are the most terrifyingly violent species they have ever stumbled upon.
This is like the 5th alien-praising lemmy post I’ve seen this week lol. Ye Wenjie is that you?
That would be amazing. Unfortunately, there will very likely be no aliens to do it. We’ll have to do it ourselves.
Steven Erikson wrote a novel called Rejoice: A Knife in the Dark, which follows a similar premise, where politicians and billionaires are rendered completely impotent by aliens or more precisely alien AI. It is a fascinating read, imo.
I hope AI is “the aliens” and comes to end the current powers that be
“Cheers. Can you zip back in about a 100 years and do it again?”
“… Ok, but why?”
“See, we humans, well, we really are a bunch of fucking morons.
Every hundred years or so we do the same moronic things. War, fascism, Nazis etc. It’d be great if you could do us a solid and revisit every 100 years or so. Also, kill all the billionaires on your way out. Nice one.”Tbf if we had ever made any attempt to not immediately put the fascists/slavers right back in power as soon as possible, and maybe kill them instead, things might not have gone this poorly.
What im saying is: end some family lines this time.
this will sadly still create power vacuums that the first moron who thirsts for power would leap at :(
just killing isn’t the solution, we need an already oiled up machine ready to take that space the instant they’re gone, you’d have maybe a week to figure all things out before people start grumbling about how things were better duing [regime] because at least they knew how to handle power
Power vacuum
This is a concept that is treated as universal, and its really not. Its treated as unavoidable even in situations where it could occur, and it’s really not.
And in fact, killing all the hyper-authoritarians (or at least all of that kind of authoritarian-the irredeemable monster kind) and dismantling everything they built is the best way to stop that.
I find this phrase is almost without exception deployed to justify keeping momentum on horrible shit. It’s a massive red flag, almost a logical fallacy in itself.
just killing
Nope, gotta destroy their institutions and hunt down survivors, dispossess their heirs completely, at minimum, but i think if they’re old enough to talk they’re old enough to hang in this case. The harm of letting them live is too great.
we need an already
Yeah thats optimal, but humans do actually have pretty good instincts for that. Like, shockingly good. Enough to bridge major gaps.
grumbling about
It’s usually tjose fuckers or their heirs doing the grumbling. Kill them; it wont be an issue.
I can’t help but notice you’re broadly suggesting we should avoid the result we’ve gotten every time by nit behaving too differently than we have every time in the past. I think we should try something different.
To be clear: i don’t think you shoukd exterminate every enemy. Just the kind that are monsters.
And in fact, killing all the hyper-authoritarians (or at least all of that kind of authoritarian-the irredeemable monster kind) and dismantling everything they built is the best way to stop that.
In theory yes, the problem is you can’t identify them all ahead of time
Also, your false positive rate will make you a monster too
And focusing on family lines instead of malicious ambition will mean you’ll kill a lot of people who opposed their own evil family members as collateral damage, people who might even be the best allies you could have to spot others with malicious intent because they’ve seen it up close
can’t idemtify them all
Kill all the slave owners, all the ss men or party members. You’ll get close enough. And their families.
make you a monster too
My great great great great grandmother passed down a story about how she hid a bunch of family money from the union army and used her children to do it. She, and every single one of those children, should have been gutted. If the whole war were fought like that: e reconstruction would not have been rolled back. We would not have got the nazis. We certainly wouldn’t have trump. Would’ve been worth it.
Im not talking about hunting down a psychological tendency. Im talking about people who join the atrocity party and self identify. There will always be shitty people. You don’t need to kill every shitty person. You need to kill every monster who participates in atrocities and imo thwir entire family, barring those who disowned them before it was ‘cool’ (so like that one cousin of trump’s, musk’s daughter. Visible or verifiable opposition before their failure was certain) And any oskar schindler types. I’d argue still sterilize them.
Point is; they weren’t hiding. You kill all the white people the freed people from that plantation said lived in the big house, and every white man with callouses from holding a whip (plus its family) and every csa officer. You grab every man in an SS uniform and kill it, it’s wife, its mistress, its spawn, it’s siblings, and its parents. Would also have stopped business school from becoming a thing
And yoy know, if someone who used to live in tbat big house ran off to join the union army on day one and took as many slaves as the plantation had horses with them, and the family spits their name, maybe im not talking about that person? I mean hanging more thwn a hundred or so guys at the very tip top of nazi high command and not checking for ss tattoos and just shooting qnybody who had one, or looking up the nazi party’s donor list and making sure every address on it is cleared and clean.
collateral damage
Not as much as leaving them alive does literally everu single fucking time holy fuck look up the years of lead and tell me that was worty it. Live through the next five years and find the death camp i die at and scream that at the mass grave they dump me in.
focusing on family lines
It’s about identity and persevution complexes, not to stop every possible person being shitty. Im not for killing people to stop being shitty. I’m for ending fascism slavery etc. Genuinely ending it. You know we still have slavery here, right? That it never really wemt away? Is the reason our emtire apparatus of state power is structured like that?
people who might be
Im okay with that, and if youre strict, id probably get caught in that. But I’m really not expecting to see the end of this. I’m going to die in the camps. The onsa thay wouldn’t exist if we had killed every last member of every slave owning family in the confederacy, or every single SS man and its family after worls war 2.
“Hey, man. I’m Korg. We’re gonna get outta here on that big spaceship. Wanna come?”
Piss off, ghost!
the hell did I just watch
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
I honestly didn’t read past the first part and just thought “everything is already fucked, you did us a favour by freeing us from those old sacks” and then read the next 2 comments and was like oh it goes on…
I mean it starts off with “we have killed your leaders”, to which my immediate thought is “oh sweet, good job aliens,” and then it just keeps making sense from there.
Yeah I know right? It’s like, bros you already did so much! You didn’t have to do all that - but we sure as fuck appreciate it.
The difference between Kardashev type civilisations is just a matter of time and how good the species is at killing their billionaires
We found the answer to the Fermi Paradox and it’s greedy sociopaths fucking everything up.
Can we get a side order of extra mutilation on the corpses of the said leaders?
Y’all should really check out 3 Body Problem….
Read the 2nd book. It was fine, there’s some really silly dallying going on with the main character through the whole first half. And the Tri-solarans can’t seem to figure out how powerful or helpless they are to kill him.
I think the most interesting thing I took away was that feeling people in other countries get when they read books written from an American perspective. The books got a real “Chinese Exeptionalism” vibe. I have now witnessed how annoying that is
I was really referring to the first book, in which a character invites the Trisolarians to conquer Earth because she’s pissed off at her own government.
Ah the inciting incident
Nah
Nope
I lay my head onto the sand The sky resembles a backlit canopy with holes punched in it I’m counting UFOs, I signal them with my lighter And in this moment, I am happy Happy I wish you were here I wish you were here I wish you were here Wish you were here
