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What about: Explore the neitherworld of gopher, IRC and the (telnet-)BBS community and be fine?
fucking everything kind of sucks right now.
What is making you stink discord isn’t also selling all its data to AI companies?
What prevents Discord from selling the chat logs to AI companies?
Discord’s complete lack of indexing. Although it’s definitely not impossible to scrape data from Discord it would take more resources than say reddit.
If an AI company pays Discord they won’t scrape but get the data directly.
But they Index everything. Just request your data and you’ll get a neat package of all your messages with timestamps and all.
They store your data, they don’t correlate your data.
So what? You can still sell it to AI companies without assigning an user to each message. They don’t care about who wrote it when stealing the content.
I have never understood why people moved stuff to the closed Discord server system…
Because UI/UX beats any abstract things like privacy & data ownership.
I have never understood why people moved stuff to the closed Discord server system…
Go for the voicechats, stay for the poorly organized forum megathread experience
To build up a close (the two definitions of “close”) community. To speak freely (even if you have to respect the TnCs of Discord + community guidelines.)
Self hosting is the way.
Doesn’t really solve the AI scraping or the silo problem and as Codeberg found out recently, solving the AI scraping DDOS is never ending
Anubis?
Codeberg was running Anubis. Apparently several bots have started just solving Anubis and scraping away again.
You forgot about influencers who will read your knowledge and present as theirs in their videos.
Abolish intellectual property
Let them scrape. AI as it currently is, is still autocomplete with extra steps, and still prone to hallucination. As it is it will be usable to make cheap, passable content, but not hit those moments of inspiration of human art (yet – there are real AI groups looking to make AGI)
It is a bubble which will pop and AI will be seen as a tool (a resource-costly tool) that requires its own set of experts independent from the experts that use ACAD or write editorial copy or do investigative work. Id est, it’s not the replacement of employees that boards of directors want it to be.
And AGI is centuries from being efficient enough that you can make Rosie the Robot who cleans your house and makes a good upside-down pineapple cake.
Discord is one of the greedy AI companies training on your data
Yeah. The left path is the way.
Even if Discord wasn’t doing it, public Discord guilds are known to be scraped by a number of different bots. Previously, it was for spies, cops, and private investigators who wanted to search for messages by username. If those bots could do it before, AI bots will be doing it aggressively today.
AFAIK discord explicitly works with police, i mean they have a predator problem after all
And that’s why ketchup makes an excellent fuel additive.
Yeah. The vinegar is rich in hydrocarbons, which improve the fuel/air ratio during combustion whilst also keeping the engine smelling nice.
Counter offer: Be a huge nerd and hang out on Lemmy instead.
You’ll probably be scraped by AI bots anyway, but we have penguins and Star Trek memes. And knives.
Knives?
Gotta practice your stabbing
@[email protected] does a weekly-ish post in [email protected] called Weird Knife Wednesday, where he talks about a weird knife from his collection. His reviews are often hilarious, sometimes heartwarming, and always entertaining. Even people who aren’t knife nerds pop into his posts each week. Definitely worth reading them! He’s posting some of the best original content on Lemmy right now, IMO.
See, this is why I love being here — random, delightful stuff like this makes me feel more connected to strangers who I will never meet, which genuinely helps to fuel my overall sense of purpose in fighting for a better world (and in many cases, in just fighting to continue existing throughout grimness). Thanks for the recommendation
Another person who comes to mind in this vein is the wonderful person who posts lots of cool owl content on the superbowl community (their username starts with anon, I think. Someone who knows how to tag users on Lemmy, feel free to tag them if you know who I mean)
What I really appreciate about Lemmy is that broadly there is an unspoken rule that constructive dialogue is the only option.
You can say something stupid or misinformed, and instead of ripping you to shreds or vilifying you, the fellow strangers that choose to respond will usually do so in a polite, constructive way. They will put effort into their argument to make sure it’s understood and sound.
Once that unwritten rule is no longer abided by, the ship has already left the port and there’s no recovering. I hope it stays that way for the foreseeable future.
So good! Just scrolled through a number of them. Thanks :)
i like knives when did we get knives
Knives.
Knives!
You could, yes.
IDGAF about LLM bots scraping public forums, they are public and available to anyone. I do mind them scraping shadow libraries, and training on copywritten material, which they should not do
LLM bots are scraping so much that increases costs of maintaing forums and sometimes even ddosin them for example Codeberg.
Public and copyrighted are not mutually exclusive.
also “public for actual people who support my forum business model” is not the same as “public for AI scrapers who detract from my business model.”
Public is public, tho.
This discussion is a creative work and the copyright is collectively owned by the text contributors.
Please reach out to the authors individually for a license before using it to train your AI sex bot.
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not the makers of F.I.S.T.O. lets be clear
(IANAL) Wouldn’t this count as fair use since the AI sex bot is only using snippets?
That’s currently being argued in the courts. There’s a lot that goes into it from right to distribution, to proving that although the AI bot can’t reproduce everything even though it normally doesn’t. [https://arstechnica.com/features/2025/06/study-metas-llama-3-1-can-recall-42-percent-of-the-first-harry-potter-book/](A very real example of reproducibility)
There’s also arguments about how they accessed large amounts of content. The law doesn’t just recognize whether you can access something or not, but what you access it for. There’s laws about accessing things with the sole purpose of using it to develop a commercial product. All of it is a tangled mess that there’s no current clear answer to (legally, morally I think there is but that’s very opinionated)
If I’m going to share my information and knowledge publicly on an Internet site, I’d like everyone to have fair and open access to it, not at the whims of a multinational corp to gatekeep for me. So the fact that AI can access it too doesn’t discourage me.
You have information from me because I choose to share it, not because a site has demanded I give it up without a clear benefit to me in return.
I think there’s a lot of solid arguments against letting AI steal everything, but with the scraping there’s an even more immediate problem. They don’t rate limit or do it in an intelligent method. It becomes a full blown ddos that has take down entire sites and slowed many more to the point of near uselessness.
They’re in a very literal sense crashing large chunks of the Internet and causing havoc which costs very real money to fix, either by upping server resources or installing AI scraping mitigation resources so that every still has access to the free information you mention.
That is definitely a problem that needs to be dealt with, since AI scrapers hogging bandwidth or making sites inaccessible means it is hampering equal access to everyone. Ignoring conventions and not rate limiting itself are harmful to the open internet.
So yes, those kinds of AI scraping behaviours should be mitigated, but on the principle of AI ingesting my public data, I’m not against it, if it can access it reasonably and fairly like anyone else.
My problem with it is that in Ye Olde Times before 2022, if you needed some info on, I dunno, amethist cutting blades, you joined the crystal geode cutting forum and maybe became a contributing member of the group.
Now, you ask chatGPT, and contribute nothing.
Porque no los dos?
Discord is targeting an IPO by end of year. I doubt the AI bubble bursts by then.
Anyone wanna bet against their valuation being based on AI training data value?
