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I’m genuinely sick of seeing his face, hearing his voice or even being told by the news about the new stupid shit he said today. I’m sick of the people who idolize him when it should be so blatantly obvious to anyone with even a shred of human decency that every word in OP’s post is accurate.
This man is the embodiment of our inadequacy as a species.
Getting you overwhelmed is a strategy do not give in its tough seeing every single day something cruel and stupid. I am tired of him too. But i won’t block or filter him. We should not look away.
Don’t bury your head in the sand, but also know your limits. It’s okay, and even desirable, to unplug from what’s going on in the world for the sake of your mental health from time to time.
Yup, we need to listen selectively and not read or post every single stupid and inflammatory thing he does.
It’s so fucking exhausting. I feel like the past 6 months has taken several years off my life.
Objectively speaking they have. The damage Chief Cheeto has done will be unimaginably difficult to reverse.
Same here. I intentionally cover his face with my thumb whenever I can. I loathe the way he speaks, the way he looks, and the way he talks over the people he’s talking to, including Fox hosts who are doing nothing but licking his asshole. I can’t wait for the day he expires.
As a nation you mean, not a species. I’ve been to so many countries where this man would never have made it to anything let alone fucking president. Trump didnt happen out of a vacuum, there is a very real fascist ROT in the core of the United States that needs to be dealt with once and for all.
Just 3 and a half more years to go.
If we’re lucky.
More than likely he’s here to stay once he gets rid of elections.
Was this supposed to be comforting?
If you’re an optimist? I guess?
I am not an optimist.
I used to be. Until November 2016. I gained like 5% of it back in 2020, then lost it all again last year. I don’t know how we can ever recover
That was the main reason why I was pissed off at his first and then again second election. Even here in Europe he was going to dominate the news cycle every single fucking day. And we are all dumber for having to listen to his incoherent blabbering.
When Biden won in 2020, I was so relieved. He wasn’t my pick in the primary, but the news wasn’t a constant stream of embarrassment and frustration. I hate that he’s back and so much worse.
We have the sight but not the smell, at least.
This is beautiful. The only problem with this, and Jack White’s recent trump comment, is that they have too many words. Meaning republicans will never read them.
What was Jack White’s recent comment?
Edit: Found this: https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/music/news/jack-white-donald-trump-white-house-oval-office-b2811499.html
On Monday (18 August), White House communications director Steven Cheung said in a statement to The Independent that White was “masquerading as a real artist”
Bahahahahahaha… Imagine anyone going to Steven fucking Cheung for insight about art. Fucking clowns.
How long until we start hearing about “degenerate art”?
If they even could read
With “too many words” you mean it has more than two?
MAGA rally cries are usually 3 words, but yeah.
That’s because they don’t need to read them, just repeat them from hearing.
It wouldn’t matter if they did read it, MAGA doesn’t have critical thinking skills. To them, Trump is God and anything that says otherwise is terrorism against the United States. It’s that simple. If the Epstein files are only a moderate annoyance to Trump and won’t change MAGA’s opinions on him literally nothing will. Trump is a president on the child rapist list and that still isn’t enough to change MAGA’s minds. Nothing will, full stop. It doesn’t matter what anyone does at this point, Trump won. He has the executive branch, the legislative branch, the judicial branch, the armed forces, the state governments, all of law enforcement, and financial leaders on his side. What else is there?
Half of us adults can’t read at a 6th grade level. I think many of those can only do so if they really try, and mostly coast by in a haze
They’d just spew their usual meaningless outrage if they did. They’re irredeemable.
Worst part is we will not learn. Democrats are getting behind newsom only because he is less of a wet blanket then current leaders. But he still supports the policies that resulted in trump. I want to say " but yeah maybe we can push having newsome really change shit for the better", then I remember that never worked with Obama. The cycle continues…
We really need to find and rally behind a leftist/progressive candidate now and begin building momentum and support so we can primary them, otherwise the nomination will definitely go to Newsom. I stumbled into a Democrat message board today and they are already acting like he is the second coming.
Fuck, I know this is an unpopular take- but Bernie still seems coherent and we could definitely do worse. Of the few centrists and ‘non political’ types I know they all seem to have respect for him. He may not be perfect- but we can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. He has the advantage of being Old, White, and Male- and you know that will score points with a lot of people who voted for Biden and not Harris, as gross as that is.
If someone else has a better suggestion I am more than willing to hear it, but let’s pick someone soon and really try to get people to go to the primaries this time.
Before anyone says it- No, that isn’t all we should do. Yes, the Dems will try to stop it. Doesn’t mean it isn’t worth trying.
Dems will try to stop what? People voting in primaries?
They stopped Bernie from winning the first primary in 2016 procedurally and with the full strength of the media. The billionaire machine owns the Democrats too.
They will try to stop a progressive or leftist from winning the primary.
But he still supports the policies that resulted in trump. I
What policies were those? If you helped Trump come to power you’re not a liberal or leftist. You’re a Trump supporter.
The party isn’t to blame this time. It’s the voters and we need to stop making these excuses.
After all these months of exposure, I’m genuinely surprised that so many on Lemmy still don’t understand that the vast majority of Americans didn’t vote for for him. He cheated, yesterday they documented North Carolina, there’s so much data now.
Why are people so fcking lazy. It is easy to look up, well explained for those who don’t understand statistical data, and he admitted it with Musk on stage.
Americans are such a violent society, even now, they rather hate the other 50% than try and band together to get him out.
There are two active attack vectors:
[email protected] and Election Truth Alliance / Smart Elections.
Stop attacking each other, and start holding the cheeto to account.
If you’ve wondered why everything looks like a coup since he got in, perhaps it is because it is one.
This is the best depiction of Cheeto I’ve ever read.
Just a reminder that less than 25% of Americans “voted” for Trump. And there exists real possibility that he cheated the election. A recent NSA audit shows Harris won.
Also, Trump is a child rapist.
People keep pointing out stuff like this but a country that has even the barest amount of collective sanity wouldn’t have even let him get beyond the party primary. 25% is a staggering number. Ya’ll I know that it still matters to say it and I’m not saying to stop but I keep hearing it in a context that heavily implies the rest of the world is ignorant for “not getting it” when we definitely already know there are good people in the US. Like, yea, you’ve got a handful of decent people but even your large number of “moderates” are capitalist Nazi sympathizers so…
large number of “moderates” are capitalist Nazi sympathizers so…
What an embarrassingly ignorant thing to say.
If you look at literally anything the GOP is doing and are still on the fence you’re either impossibly ignorant or at least evil-adjacent and pretty ok with it. Being “moderate” in US politics is embarrassing as even the US “far left” is just the developed world’s center.
A US moderate is a joke.
most moderate voters don’t care about any of that.
they just wanted lower taxes and want to go back to the 2016-2019 economy that he represented. average voters primary vote on their wallets first and foremost. everything else is irrelevant.
So they were all terribly informed, were totally ok with all the bad stuff he promised he would do, and wanted a bad economy? I mean how does that sound like an excuse to you? Moderates ignoring all the bad stuff just to get something weak and crappy is most of the point that I was making.
Moderates ignoring all the bad stuff just to get something weak and crappy
Perfect description of right wing Democrats
It’s not an excuse. It’s reality.
People had two choices last election. Someone who offered more of the same, Harris, or someone who offered at least some sort of change.
They went with the person who offered at least some sort of change. Call them Nazi sympathizers all you want, I guess? Shaming and attacking people for their voting as being evil people isn’t going to get them to come over to your side. If anything it will just make them dig their heels in.
I could promise to do nothing to you OR promise to stab you in the gut. If you choose the latter because you want “change” and don’t care about what it actually is then you’re just an idiot who shouldn’t be making decisions.
Everything was on the table and extremely obvious. If getting centrists on the right side of history is more dependent on making them feel good and special than on getting them to just make the obviously right choices then everything is already fucked and they’re just going to keep moving the goalposts as they see what they can get away with. Everyone who “just wants change” will never vote far left, only far right, and that’s pretty fucking telling.
If you’re on the fence when Donald Trump is one of the options there’s no fucking help for you and I’m not going to sit here comforting your awful decision so you can feel like a special little baby.
It was to you. Other people aren’t you. What is obvious to you, isn’t obvious to other people.
This is where you are failing to understand the issue. Other people are not you. They don’t think like you do. They don’t reason like you do. They are entirely different than you.
Be angry about it all you want. It won’t change the facts that other people’s votes, or non votes, count as much as yours and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. But hey, it probably makes you feel like you’re special, right?
Everything was on the table and extremely obvious. If getting centrists on the right side of history is more dependent on making them feel good and special than on getting them to just make the obviously right choices then everything is already fucked and they’re just going to keep moving the goalposts as they see what they can get away with. Everyone who “just wants change” will never vote far left, only far right, and that’s pretty fucking telling.
If other people can look at Donald Trump and the Republicans of the last few years and still be on the fence then it doesn’t matter if they’re me or not, they’re at best very stupid but more likely they’re at least a little ok with all the terrible things they promised to do and that is pathetic behaviour I will never compromise on. That’s all I’ve been saying, and I don’t know why you seem to think that means I don’t understand the issue.
I’m not compromising with people who think that the basic human rights of minorities and working folk are optional. They can get their shit together or take a fucking hike and I’m not giving any validity to their willingness to throw peoples’ lives away just so the price of the groceries will still go up.
You don’t have the moral highground, you’re just terrified of having a strong opinion and so place yourself somewhere you can claim not to be “extreme”.
Agreed entirely. Most people are so fucking stupid, they couldn’t even be considered conscious.
While it may SEEM most other humans have that trait, I’m not so sure any more. Most of us are just cancerous tumors; growing by consuming the host without thought about what that means for them at the end.
At this point, the reaction (and non-reaction) of the general public has been enough to show me that there is tacit support. Each group has their “red line,” I imagine, where they’ll suddenly give a shit when their gardener gets deported or whatever… But somehow we haven’t hit that line yet for most people, and it’s fucking depressing.
It’s incredibly depressing. But somehow there are still consequences for actual actions. We’re so dispersed there hasn’t been a point where someone has said they are going to oust him, and if they succeed whoever helps support won’t get hung as a traitor.
Even if someone were to assassinate Trump, no one is organized to replace him. Vance isn’t any better, nor anyone really in line. We can’t just cut off Trump, we need to cut out the entire rotted party and treat every single one of them as traitors.
why would it ever?
most people do not care about politics. never have, never will.
86 million people did not vote, so they were ok with him too. you can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence.
given that it’s america, some portion of those couldn’t vote because they couldn’t get time off work, were purged from voter rolls, etc
i wouldn’t say most, but some
I agree one-day elections on a Tuesday where we don’t even get off work is stupid and should change. But there are more options for voting early/by mail.
Or they don’t live in a swing state…
How much did you donate to the Harris campaign? How much time did you spend volunteering for it. You can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence, after all.
I can actually, since I’m not eligible to vote in the US. even if i were and didn’t, that’s not even in the same universe as not voting.
So you didn’t donate? You didn’t knock on doors? You can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence!
I don’t live in the US, nor am I from there, you slowpoke.
Ok? So? Why didn’t you donate anyway. Why didn’t you fly to the US and help with the campaign? You can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence!
Why should people donate to a campaign? Honest question, in my country we don’t do that.
dude shut the fuck up you’re so bad at this
Voting is more than not voting whatever whataboutism you spew.
Wow, so you didn’t think stopping fascism justified more than just voting in a non-swing state?
Reference on that audit?
I did the math. I’ll see if I can find it. It wasn’t 25%, so I don’t know where that number comes from. My number was ~32%, and I can’t remember if that was % population or registered voters.
E: Found it, it’s 32% of the adult population, conspiracy theory notwithstanding.
Most Americans did not vote for Trump.
Here’s how it works:
*US Population, adult over 18: ~250 million.
*Of that population, ~244 million are eligible to vote.
*Of eligible voters, only 63.9% voted.
*Of the 63.9%, less than half, 49.8%, went to Trump. To re-emphasize that point, Trump did not get more than 50%.
*Harris got 48.3%
*The ~1% difference voted third party.
The math is pretty basic. 63.9% of 250 million is 159.7 million voting, 49.8% of that voting for trump is 79.5 million.
So out of 250 million, ~32% actually voted for trump. The rest is the issue with the electoral college, but we’re talking people, not the EC.
Your math is probably better than mine. I did a simple votes / total population.
Thanks for the info!
YW. I gotta note a small wording error in my final statement, it’s 32% of the 244M (the voting population), not the 250M US population.
It was a story going around on reddit a couple of months ago about a guy claiming to be a whistleblower. Some guy claiming he was an ex intelligence agent or something, said he was part of an NSA audit on the election that showed definitively that Harris won, but his claims didn’t have a lot of meat to them so I kind of discarded it as a hoax or whatever.
But there was some evidence presented by another account I can’t remember. He showed some compelling irregularities in the results that seemed plausible. There is also the court case in NY with people signing affidavits claiming their votes were switched.
I’m on the shitter so I can’t link anything right now, but hopefully that information from my poor recollection will help you find what you’re looking for.
That person is a liar making shit up to get attention on the internet. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a pro-Trump troll. Since NOTHING makes us look stupider than repeating their Stop the Steal non-sense.
Hitler got 36% of the vote and he was a ww1 corporal and failed artist who lived in a flop house in Vienna.
He was the charismatic leader of the party and a well known public figure by then and had already went to jail. Trump did not have to work anywhere near that hard.
It’s almost worse. 90 million don’t care at all.
Well said. Honestly, I feel very strongly that this is not an overreaction compared to what he has said and done over his lifetime. Truly a vile human being at best.
Look man it’s not the suits fault it doesn’t fit well. I’m not sure anything would look flattering on that.
A coffin would.
He should be shoved down an outhouse so that every American that wants to can have a chance to do to him what he did to our country.
His grave will be used as a gender neutral outhouse
as a non american, I think this is my exact image for trump. From the way he walks, talks and exist, I think he is a disgusting immature buffoon
As a non american this is my image of nearly all Americans.
I feel the righteous fury…but they forgot about the rape and pedophilia
That’s fucking poetry
If Trump could read, he might be quite upset at this
Poetry
He was elected, after all, by more than half of the american voters. They either voted for him or didn’t want to vote (implying that he was ok as a president).
So yeah, he IS the personalization of what a huge portion of america is.
Minor correction: Trump won with less than half of registered voters, which is only 30% of eligible voters (over 18)
2024 election results as of Jan 15, 2025 (AP News)
77,303,573 votes (49.9%) - Trump : 23% of pop, 30% of eligible (18+), 45% of reg *
75,019,257 votes (48.4%) - Harris : 22% of pop, 29% of eligible (18+), 44% of reg *
337,375,114 - US Population as of Nov 6, 2024 (Census.gov)
*note the number of registered voters is not as easy to determine as the number that voted
Anyone able to vote and not voting for Harris is indirectly voting for Mango Hitler.
If you can vote and decide to not do it, you are saying you are ok with both candidates.
Truthfully though, i think a lot of those people are ok with either. They don’t view politics as making any difference in their day-to-day lives and/or may be too busy or otherwise engaged to pay attention to the news (or perhaps even disinterested!). I know some people who are more or less apolitical. They don’t talk about politics, they don’t think about politics, and they don’t seem overly concerned since Trump took office again. That’s just in my small orbit though – there are millions of people out there that have much different views than most of us here.
I sometimes think we get wrong idea about how popular are views/beliefs are because we’re hanging out in an echo chamber to some degree.
but I’m sure that have opinions about the price of well… everything.
do they just not think it matters? are they wealthy enough not to care, or do they just not think much?
I wonder the same. I think part of it is the way we were educated about politics growing up. Also the fact we’re taught about most of it when we can’t vote.
they have zero control over it. wealthy or not.
just like they had zero control over the toilet paper shortages during the pandemic. i remember having to go to like four different stores to find a 6pack of toilet paper in may 2020.
Bingo.
Nobody thinks finer points of political policy is more important than the people who wonk about it all day as a hobby.
Most average people dont’ even know these things exist. They are thinking about what they will eat tonight for dinner or whether to stay home and watch TV or go out to the local bar. Hence why the increase in food prices more or less fucked the Democrats… because people notice when food/gas goes up.
Personally I just gave up in some ways too. It gets old listening to people rant on about transrights every other day. Which a lot of my more political friends have been doing the past few years. What they don’t get is that transrights are irrelevant to like 95% of the population, even though they think that it’s the most pressing moral issue of our lifetime and its the hill they have chose to grandstand on for whatever reason. And my lack of passion for this issue gets me labeled as transphobic by these same folks. And while I support transrights… I just don’t want to scream about it everyday on social media like they do.
It’s easy to say, but when you live in states like Mississippi or California, voting is pointless. So many do care, but know that their presence in the voting booth is pointless.
yeah, the electoral college seems to be inherently undemocratic.
Why is it pointless to vote in those states?
The electoral college makes it pointless. Trump has a 0% chance to win California, so if you are a Trumper, why bother voting (for president) in California? Same goes for a liberal in Mississippi.
If there was a national popular vote, I think this would be different.
That said, I think everybody should vote no matter what. But saying that somebody who does not vote is indirectly supporting Trump is just ignoring the reality of our election system.
There were 1.95 million voters in MS in 2024. Trump got ~748,000 votes in the state, Kamala got ~466,000. How is it pointless to vote in a state where 700,000 people didn’t?
I fucking hate it when people say it’s pointless to vote. People thought Georgia would never go blue until it fucking happened in 2020, because people went out and voted.
Stop spreading that disinfo.
Hell, California has 22 million registered voters, and Kamala only got 9 million of those. That state isn’t as blue as you might think it is.
I’d have to doublecheck my numbers, but I’m pretty sure the only election where more peole voted for a candidate than didn’t vote at all, was 2020. Technically, “nobody” has been the winning vote for at least my entire lifetime.
I would say, in states where your vote seems to matter the least, and it’s the hardest to vote, those are the states where it is the most important that you actually do vote, because the shitbag republicans who have cooked up those crooked election maps and fucked around with the voting process, are relying on you to not vote.
First, I don’t think Georgia is a good example cause that was a battleground state. Sure it was historically red, but the polls were close enough to make that state matter. If you live in a battleground state, congrats, your vote matters!
Second, I think you’re giving a very idealistic perspective. If all of those 700k people voted, what percent of them do you honestly believe would go for Harris? 75% of them? Probably not even enough to bring Harris to over the current 748k number.
And to the people that didn’t vote, where voting is not necessarily an easy thing to do, and where they will probably struggle regardless of who wins, they will do that same math and come to the conclusion that voting is more work than it’s worth.
I just think it is wrong to put the blame on them, when the real enemy is the electoral college.
Still a majority though isn’t it?
This is what america is. I don’t like it either, but feelings don’t change facts.
Still a majority though isn’t it?
It’s a plurality, if we’re being pedantic. But yes, this is America’s disease. We worshiped at the feet of capitalism and it birthed a twisted avatar to lead us that not only embodies all of the worst aspects of our society but actively seeks to expand them - greed, xenophobia, callousness, arrogance, hypocrisy, and violence.
Still won with more than half of American voters. You’re not a voter if you don’t use your vote.
Yeah, people always bring that up like it’s a positive thing. It’s not something to be proud of.
No, he won with a plurality of voters, not over half of them.
Every time this topic comes up one of you guys shows up to make minor statistical and grammatical corrections about the voting population like it makes any damned bit of difference to our lived experience. America elected this piece of shit twice and that is the only important part of the discussion. The rest is just you hoping to convince yourself that things aren’t as bad as they seem. Well, they are that bad so please focus on something more useful than using statistically precise language to describe how many tens of millions of our neighbors support this child raping charlatan.
They’re indeed bad - REALLY bad - but overstating Trump’s support isn’t helpful. 77 million out of roughly 174 million eligible voters, or about 44%, chose fascism, NOT a majority.
All the ones not voting chose not to stop fascism.
You’re right. But apathy is apathy, not support.
That distinction is irrelevant in just about every conceivable way. No one rational should be comforted by the clarification that only 77 million of their neighbors are fascists.
REALLY bad
I’m not sure where you got “comforted” from this.
My bad, although ”more than half” is a lot closer to 49.9% than 30%.
True.
He was elected, after all, by more than half of the american voters.
This common refrain does a lot of heavy lifting by assuming that Trump did not cheat to win (again).
I’m not saying he did, and him even coming close to being in office a second time is still a damning indictment of our society regardless, but the fact of the matter is that Trump had every incentive to do so (avoiding an almost certain prison sentence, plus multiple other lawsuits that could add on to it) and nobody bothered to challenge the results in the months after the election when Democrats still held power, so we’ll never know the truth (since records of any misconduct would have likely been destroyed by now).
Remember how we mocked them for thinking Biden cheated in 2020 despite Trump being in office? Can we not blindly walk into this trap?
What trap?
I thought I was very clear - I’m not accusing him of cheating in the 2024 election, however… I understand the metaphorical prisoner’s dilemma that Trump was in, and the most optimal strategy was simply to cheat.
You don’t think a convicted felon winning every swing state is just a bit suspicious? Especially considering 4 years earlier he failed to capture that same electorate?
You don’t think him going up on stage afterwards and praising Elon Musk for his knowledge of voting machines wasn’t suspicious?
You don’t think him telling a crowd of his supporters that they won’t have to vote anymore isn’t just a bit suspicious?
We all know that every single one of Trump’s accusations is simply projection. He presumes that everyone operates on the same frequency as he does and will preemptively accuse them of the same bad behavior he is responsible for.
He zeroed in on mail-in ballots during the 2020 campaign, because that’s how he tried to cheat - to get states to throw out mail-in ballots that overwhelmingly skewed Democratic.
So he wins in 2024 and what does he do? Immediately says the opponent cheated by rigging vote machines. Hmm, gee I wonder what put that idea in his head?
I’m not going to be beholden to this “high road” horseshit anymore. I’ll call a spade a fucking spade when I see it.
My point was not so much about those who directly voted for him as it was about those who, by not voting, made Harris lose, effectively making him win.
Regardless of the cheating, there is a fact: millions of Americans didn’t vote in what might have been the most important elections of the country in modern history.
And the rest of the country is basically fine with him. If they weren’t, they would do something about it.
I am going to road trip to take a big shit on his grave when he dies. I am definitely throwing a party the day that mother fuckers dead. Can’t come soon enough. Evil piece of trash.
Look don’t get caught, so what you want to do is prep a turd, get one of those chuckit sticks and launch it as you drive by. You don’t want to be exposed and vulnerable just to take a shit on a shit
Gerrymandering will ensure he continues to contaminate the White House.
Hopefully more democratic states like CA start up.
IL is talking about doing it too.
