Just a reminder that less than 25% of Americans “voted” for Trump. And there exists real possibility that he cheated the election. A recent NSA audit shows Harris won.
People keep pointing out stuff like this but a country that has even the barest amount of collective sanity wouldn’t have even let him get beyond the party primary. 25% is a staggering number. Ya’ll I know that it still matters to say it and I’m not saying to stop but I keep hearing it in a context that heavily implies the rest of the world is ignorant for “not getting it” when we definitely already know there are good people in the US. Like, yea, you’ve got a handful of decent people but even your large number of “moderates” are capitalist Nazi sympathizers so…
If you look at literally anything the GOP is doing and are still on the fence you’re either impossibly ignorant or at least evil-adjacent and pretty ok with it. Being “moderate” in US politics is embarrassing as even the US “far left” is just the developed world’s center.
most moderate voters don’t care about any of that.
they just wanted lower taxes and want to go back to the 2016-2019 economy that he represented. average voters primary vote on their wallets first and foremost. everything else is irrelevant.
So they were all terribly informed, were totally ok with all the bad stuff he promised he would do, and wanted a bad economy? I mean how does that sound like an excuse to you? Moderates ignoring all the bad stuff just to get something weak and crappy is most of the point that I was making.
People had two choices last election. Someone who offered more of the same, Harris, or someone who offered at least some sort of change.
They went with the person who offered at least some sort of change. Call them Nazi sympathizers all you want, I guess? Shaming and attacking people for their voting as being evil people isn’t going to get them to come over to your side. If anything it will just make them dig their heels in.
I could promise to do nothing to you OR promise to stab you in the gut. If you choose the latter because you want “change” and don’t care about what it actually is then you’re just an idiot who shouldn’t be making decisions.
Everything was on the table and extremely obvious. If getting centrists on the right side of history is more dependent on making them feel good and special than on getting them to just make the obviously right choices then everything is already fucked and they’re just going to keep moving the goalposts as they see what they can get away with. Everyone who “just wants change” will never vote far left, only far right, and that’s pretty fucking telling.
If you’re on the fence when Donald Trump is one of the options there’s no fucking help for you and I’m not going to sit here comforting your awful decision so you can feel like a special little baby.
It was to you. Other people aren’t you. What is obvious to you, isn’t obvious to other people.
This is where you are failing to understand the issue. Other people are not you. They don’t think like you do. They don’t reason like you do. They are entirely different than you.
Be angry about it all you want. It won’t change the facts that other people’s votes, or non votes, count as much as yours and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. But hey, it probably makes you feel like you’re special, right?
Everything was on the table and extremely obvious. If getting centrists on the right side of history is more dependent on making them feel good and special than on getting them to just make the obviously right choices then everything is already fucked and they’re just going to keep moving the goalposts as they see what they can get away with. Everyone who “just wants change” will never vote far left, only far right, and that’s pretty fucking telling.
If other people can look at Donald Trump and the Republicans of the last few years and still be on the fence then it doesn’t matter if they’re me or not, they’re at best very stupid but more likely they’re at least a little ok with all the terrible things they promised to do and that is pathetic behaviour I will never compromise on. That’s all I’ve been saying, and I don’t know why you seem to think that means I don’t understand the issue.
I’m not compromising with people who think that the basic human rights of minorities and working folk are optional. They can get their shit together or take a fucking hike and I’m not giving any validity to their willingness to throw peoples’ lives away just so the price of the groceries will still go up.
You don’t have the moral highground, you’re just terrified of having a strong opinion and so place yourself somewhere you can claim not to be “extreme”.
it doesn’t matter if they’re me or not, they’re at best very stupid but more likely they’re at least a little ok with all the terrible things they promised to do and that is pathetic behaviour I will never compromise on.
This is precisely how I feel about people who still support the democrats after they supported and enabled the modern holocaust.
Agreed entirely. Most people are so fucking stupid, they couldn’t even be considered conscious.
While it may SEEM most other humans have that trait, I’m not so sure any more. Most of us are just cancerous tumors; growing by consuming the host without thought about what that means for them at the end.
At this point, the reaction (and non-reaction) of the general public has been enough to show me that there is tacit support. Each group has their “red line,” I imagine, where they’ll suddenly give a shit when their gardener gets deported or whatever… But somehow we haven’t hit that line yet for most people, and it’s fucking depressing.
It’s incredibly depressing. But somehow there are still consequences for actual actions. We’re so dispersed there hasn’t been a point where someone has said they are going to oust him, and if they succeed whoever helps support won’t get hung as a traitor.
Even if someone were to assassinate Trump, no one is organized to replace him. Vance isn’t any better, nor anyone really in line. We can’t just cut off Trump, we need to cut out the entire rotted party and treat every single one of them as traitors.
I agree one-day elections on a Tuesday where we don’t even get off work is stupid and should change. But there are more options for voting early/by mail.
How much did you donate to the Harris campaign? How much time did you spend volunteering for it. You can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence, after all.
Ok? So? Why didn’t you donate anyway. Why didn’t you fly to the US and help with the campaign? You can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence!
I did the math. I’ll see if I can find it. It wasn’t 25%, so I don’t know where that number comes from. My number was ~32%, and I can’t remember if that was % population or registered voters.
E: Found it, it’s 32% of the adult population, conspiracy theory notwithstanding.
Most Americans did not vote for Trump.
Here’s how it works:
*US Population, adult over 18: ~250 million.
*Of that population, ~244 million are eligible to vote.
*Of eligible voters, only 63.9% voted.
*Of the 63.9%, less than half, 49.8%, went to Trump. To re-emphasize that point, Trump did not get more than 50%.
*Harris got 48.3%
*The ~1% difference voted third party.
The math is pretty basic. 63.9% of 250 million is 159.7 million voting, 49.8% of that voting for trump is 79.5 million.
So out of 250 million, ~32% actually voted for trump. The rest is the issue with the electoral college, but we’re talking people, not the EC.
It was a story going around on reddit a couple of months ago about a guy claiming to be a whistleblower. Some guy claiming he was an ex intelligence agent or something, said he was part of an NSA audit on the election that showed definitively that Harris won, but his claims didn’t have a lot of meat to them so I kind of discarded it as a hoax or whatever.
But there was some evidence presented by another account I can’t remember. He showed some compelling irregularities in the results that seemed plausible. There is also the court case in NY with people signing affidavits claiming their votes were switched.
I’m on the shitter so I can’t link anything right now, but hopefully that information from my poor recollection will help you find what you’re looking for.
That person is a liar making shit up to get attention on the internet. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a pro-Trump troll. Since NOTHING makes us look stupider than repeating their Stop the Steal non-sense.
He was the charismatic leader of the party and a well known public figure by then and had already went to jail. Trump did not have to work anywhere near that hard.
Just a reminder that less than 25% of Americans “voted” for Trump. And there exists real possibility that he cheated the election. A recent NSA audit shows Harris won.
Also, Trump is a child rapist.
People keep pointing out stuff like this but a country that has even the barest amount of collective sanity wouldn’t have even let him get beyond the party primary. 25% is a staggering number. Ya’ll I know that it still matters to say it and I’m not saying to stop but I keep hearing it in a context that heavily implies the rest of the world is ignorant for “not getting it” when we definitely already know there are good people in the US. Like, yea, you’ve got a handful of decent people but even your large number of “moderates” are capitalist Nazi sympathizers so…
What an embarrassingly ignorant thing to say.
If you look at literally anything the GOP is doing and are still on the fence you’re either impossibly ignorant or at least evil-adjacent and pretty ok with it. Being “moderate” in US politics is embarrassing as even the US “far left” is just the developed world’s center.
A US moderate is a joke.
most moderate voters don’t care about any of that.
they just wanted lower taxes and want to go back to the 2016-2019 economy that he represented. average voters primary vote on their wallets first and foremost. everything else is irrelevant.
So they were all terribly informed, were totally ok with all the bad stuff he promised he would do, and wanted a bad economy? I mean how does that sound like an excuse to you? Moderates ignoring all the bad stuff just to get something weak and crappy is most of the point that I was making.
Perfect description of right wing Democrats
It’s not an excuse. It’s reality.
People had two choices last election. Someone who offered more of the same, Harris, or someone who offered at least some sort of change.
They went with the person who offered at least some sort of change. Call them Nazi sympathizers all you want, I guess? Shaming and attacking people for their voting as being evil people isn’t going to get them to come over to your side. If anything it will just make them dig their heels in.
I could promise to do nothing to you OR promise to stab you in the gut. If you choose the latter because you want “change” and don’t care about what it actually is then you’re just an idiot who shouldn’t be making decisions.
Everything was on the table and extremely obvious. If getting centrists on the right side of history is more dependent on making them feel good and special than on getting them to just make the obviously right choices then everything is already fucked and they’re just going to keep moving the goalposts as they see what they can get away with. Everyone who “just wants change” will never vote far left, only far right, and that’s pretty fucking telling.
If you’re on the fence when Donald Trump is one of the options there’s no fucking help for you and I’m not going to sit here comforting your awful decision so you can feel like a special little baby.
It was to you. Other people aren’t you. What is obvious to you, isn’t obvious to other people.
This is where you are failing to understand the issue. Other people are not you. They don’t think like you do. They don’t reason like you do. They are entirely different than you.
Be angry about it all you want. It won’t change the facts that other people’s votes, or non votes, count as much as yours and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. But hey, it probably makes you feel like you’re special, right?
If other people can look at Donald Trump and the Republicans of the last few years and still be on the fence then it doesn’t matter if they’re me or not, they’re at best very stupid but more likely they’re at least a little ok with all the terrible things they promised to do and that is pathetic behaviour I will never compromise on. That’s all I’ve been saying, and I don’t know why you seem to think that means I don’t understand the issue.
I’m not compromising with people who think that the basic human rights of minorities and working folk are optional. They can get their shit together or take a fucking hike and I’m not giving any validity to their willingness to throw peoples’ lives away just so the price of the groceries will still go up.
You don’t have the moral highground, you’re just terrified of having a strong opinion and so place yourself somewhere you can claim not to be “extreme”.
This is precisely how I feel about people who still support the democrats after they supported and enabled the modern holocaust.
Agreed entirely. Most people are so fucking stupid, they couldn’t even be considered conscious.
While it may SEEM most other humans have that trait, I’m not so sure any more. Most of us are just cancerous tumors; growing by consuming the host without thought about what that means for them at the end.
At this point, the reaction (and non-reaction) of the general public has been enough to show me that there is tacit support. Each group has their “red line,” I imagine, where they’ll suddenly give a shit when their gardener gets deported or whatever… But somehow we haven’t hit that line yet for most people, and it’s fucking depressing.
It’s incredibly depressing. But somehow there are still consequences for actual actions. We’re so dispersed there hasn’t been a point where someone has said they are going to oust him, and if they succeed whoever helps support won’t get hung as a traitor.
Even if someone were to assassinate Trump, no one is organized to replace him. Vance isn’t any better, nor anyone really in line. We can’t just cut off Trump, we need to cut out the entire rotted party and treat every single one of them as traitors.
why would it ever?
most people do not care about politics. never have, never will.
86 million people did not vote, so they were ok with him too. you can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence.
given that it’s america, some portion of those couldn’t vote because they couldn’t get time off work, were purged from voter rolls, etc
i wouldn’t say most, but some
I agree one-day elections on a Tuesday where we don’t even get off work is stupid and should change. But there are more options for voting early/by mail.
Or they don’t live in a swing state…
How much did you donate to the Harris campaign? How much time did you spend volunteering for it. You can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence, after all.
I can actually, since I’m not eligible to vote in the US. even if i were and didn’t, that’s not even in the same universe as not voting.
So you didn’t donate? You didn’t knock on doors? You can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence!
I don’t live in the US, nor am I from there, you slowpoke.
Ok? So? Why didn’t you donate anyway. Why didn’t you fly to the US and help with the campaign? You can’t just watch a fascist get elected and claim innocence!
Why should people donate to a campaign? Honest question, in my country we don’t do that.
To help it win? The same reason you should vote for it?
dude shut the fuck up you’re so bad at this
Damn, you really have no counter argument, do you.
Voting is more than not voting whatever whataboutism you spew.
Wow, so you didn’t think stopping fascism justified more than just voting in a non-swing state?
Reference on that audit?
I did the math. I’ll see if I can find it. It wasn’t 25%, so I don’t know where that number comes from. My number was ~32%, and I can’t remember if that was % population or registered voters.
E: Found it, it’s 32% of the adult population, conspiracy theory notwithstanding.
Your math is probably better than mine. I did a simple votes / total population.
Thanks for the info!
YW. I gotta note a small wording error in my final statement, it’s 32% of the 244M (the voting population), not the 250M US population.
It was a story going around on reddit a couple of months ago about a guy claiming to be a whistleblower. Some guy claiming he was an ex intelligence agent or something, said he was part of an NSA audit on the election that showed definitively that Harris won, but his claims didn’t have a lot of meat to them so I kind of discarded it as a hoax or whatever.
But there was some evidence presented by another account I can’t remember. He showed some compelling irregularities in the results that seemed plausible. There is also the court case in NY with people signing affidavits claiming their votes were switched.
I’m on the shitter so I can’t link anything right now, but hopefully that information from my poor recollection will help you find what you’re looking for.
That person is a liar making shit up to get attention on the internet. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a pro-Trump troll. Since NOTHING makes us look stupider than repeating their Stop the Steal non-sense.
Hitler got 36% of the vote and he was a ww1 corporal and failed artist who lived in a flop house in Vienna.
He was the charismatic leader of the party and a well known public figure by then and had already went to jail. Trump did not have to work anywhere near that hard.
It’s almost worse. 90 million don’t care at all.