• Bgugi@lemmy.world
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    Seriously?

    What idiot thought it would take a trillion years for the US to rack up $37 in debt?

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    That’s what a conman as leader of your country will get you. Fired half the government workforce, still spent more money than the last guy and he’s only been in office for 6 months. It only goes down from here folks, hope you enjoyed the ride. This is your last stop.

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    So what happens when the US defaults? Just asking for those that are curious to see where this slowmotion trainwreck is heading

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      think 2008 crisis, but worst. because everything was getting cut. when obama came in the military was downsizing as well, until TRUMP came into power for the first time.

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      They aren’t actually borrowing from anybody, the debt is to themselves. It basically just means the US Federal Government spends more than it collects every year since POTUS Clinton was in charge.

      They do set an upper limit to the debt / annual deficit and if they fail to resolve it by raising the limit then the federal government goes into shutdown: no new laws passed, no federal employees get paid, etc. But they pretty much always raise the limit. The last time the limit was raised it was a bipartisan push to keep the government running, during which the DNC members who joined with the Republicans received a lot of criticism for doing what the Republicans wanted, but TBH I don’t really think things would have been much better off if the government had shut down again.

      Next time, though, it’s become clear that the Senate will keep stripping rights and not allow a single bit of progress to be made no matter how far into fascism this nation falls, so definitely should shut down.

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        This is a vast misrepresentation. National debt is literally bank loans the government has taken out and promissory notes like Treasury bonds. They owe investors, banks, and individuals money - only 1/5th of the national debt is held by intergovernment bodies (meaning money the government has loaned itself and ‘owes themselves’). 80%+ of the debt is owed to non-internal groups. Even the self-owed debt must be repaid, or the government would be defaulting on a loan from one department to pay the other - robbing Peter to pay Paul.

        https://www.marketplace.org/story/2023/05/26/who-does-the-u-s-owe-31-4-trillion

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          Yes but the banks are a part of the US Financial System and Governance. For better or worse, the Federal Reserve System is tiered in a way that each private bank adheres to their regional reserve bank, of which there are 12 total, which adheres to the US federal reserve board. The private banks can also elect representatives to the board of their own regional reserve bank, while the federal reserve board members are appointed by presidents.

          That’s not even mentioning the FOMC.

          But the debt is still of the USA to the USA at the end of the day. If third parties like China or Russia buy bonds from those of the USA who hold the value in the form of promissory then that’s fine but they have no power to enforce a payout in case of a “default”. The notes just lose a little value, to the holder’s detriment.

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          They mention Clinton because when he left office, the federal government was running at a surplus and was paying down the national debt. However, that changed after Bush came to office and passed tax cuts before starting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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            Republicans: let’s increase spending like crazy while giving all the rich discounts, plummeting our income. In the meantime we just pretend that we’re spending less than Democrats

            What could possibly go wrong?

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          I never mentioned fault I just said Clinton was the last POTUS to create surplus. I blame Reagan for cutting taxes.

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      History repeats itself indeed, it’s sounding more and more like the pre revolution France, a tone deaf dictator, cooking the books because the numbers weren’t so good, the poor suffering more and more etc etc

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      At the rate the USD is declining against other currencies, I’d say it’s going to happen before the midterm. His only hope for prolonging this is to replace Jerome Powell and bandaid it until it’s someone else’s problem. Or start a war.

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        I think he will go all in on a DOGEcoin, get rid of Powell, start a war with Mexico, Greenland, and Canada simultaneously, pull out of NATO, ally with Russia without getting anything in return, Nuke California, and try to assassinate Zohran the Destroyer.

        It will be a shitshow, and EVERYBODY is on the stage.

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    What happens when someone uses an entire country as collateral while stuffing their own pockets. Watch it happen, now!

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    I’m waiting for the inevitable response executive order: “Nuh uh - Donald J Trump”

    (And then all the Republicans clapped)

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      “Biiiiiiiiiiden’s economy!?!”

      “Hey… I found a dollar in the seat cushions!”

      “TRUMP’S ECONOMY! TRUMP’S ECONOMYYY!!!”

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      There’s a world in which the US is carrying $37T, everyone lives in a spacious public condo, rides the UltraMax train around town to their 30 hour/week jobs or publicly financed doctor’s appointments or state financed university classes or luxury public park and spa.

      And I think that would be money well spent.

      Shame we don’t live in that country

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        “Sure, basically all available economic data suggests that society would become far more productive and stable if the neediest people were given enough stability to develop into contributing members of society, but if I don’t see people I don’t like suffering terribly then I will feel there is no right and wrong in the world and I might as well go have sex with a child like we all secretly want to.” - social conservatives (actually)

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    “Let’s run the country like a business!” Also, “let’s cut our revenue by the most ever seen in history”.

    Our debt is going up! (surprised Pikachu face)

    This is the liberals fault!

    No business owner would voluntary cut their revenue. They’re not businessmen, they’re con artists turned tyrants.

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    Buy gold, the U.S. dollar isn’t going to be worth the paper it’s printed on in a few years time.