Hey all! A male supporter has offered to open a community called WomensStuffSupporters that all genders can reply to. That gives men somewhere to show support that isn’t here and also make here easier to moderate.
There’s the option to X post from one to another, which is wouldn’t want to happen automatically as some people wouldn’t like that.
What do you all think of the idea? I’ll leave this post up for a while before a decision is made.
Edit: you can message me if you don’t want to say publicly. I won’t let people know you contacted me, I’d just potentially say someone messaged saying they did/didn’t want it
I’m not comfortable with the gender exclusion we currently have. It’s one thing to have a space that is just for one group of people (women). But that’s not what we have. The group welcomes nonbinary and trans men; everyone who is not a cis man. So instead of being exclusionary in favor of one group, it’s exclusionary against one group, and that doesn’t sit right with me.
You can point to the abusive and inappropriate comments we get as proof of why this is necessary - but we’re getting those anyway. At this point, the only people being excluded are our allies.
Just my two cents. I know I’m in a minority.
to be fair it’s a women-only community that allows non-binary folks and trans men to decide whether they feel they belong in such community - this is not the same thing as saying it’s a women + trans men + non-binary (just no cis men) community.
This approach is because non-binary people and trans men often have a past and present experience as being treated as women in the world and connections to womanhood that cis men won’t have, e.g. trans men who start with butch lesbian identities and who are not sure yet about their relationship to being a woman. For a sense of what I’m talking about I suggest reading Stone Butch Blues.
Trans people are a minority to begin with (including here), and not gatekeeping trans identities ourselves and allowing trans people to decide for themselves whether they belong in a women-only community feels like the right approach given the alternatives. Respecting self-identity is part of what it means to be trans-inclusive.
Excellent point, thank you for fleshing that out.
I hear you. We’re trans men and non binary inclusive partly cos people in those groups are presenting as female in day to day life, or have in the past. And sadly you’re not seeing all the abusive comments, some of them are zapped in minutes and we also get a lot of false post reports, abusive messages etc.
Understandable, I appreciate you.
And I appreciate you
Thank you (and dandelion, cheesetoastie and foxglove!) for keeping this space for us y’all are really appreciated. 😍
You’re welcome 😊
just for transparency, foxglove is a dandelion alt 😅
i did not know that :)
no worries, I mostly use this account for moderating while dandelion is my main