Yes, I’m aware I can curse on the internet - it’s not my first day here. I use the exact words I mean to use, and I’m more a fan of the precision F-strike than indiscriminately carpet-bombing the place with “fucks”. Stop word-policing me (and others).
Edited to add alt text.
Yeah, this went over about as well as expected. And the irony and hypocrisy of the free speech absolutists coming out of the woodwork to tell us all what we can and can’t say is not lost on me.
I refuse to get behind “unalive”
And the reason for that is that unalive only exists because of shit sites like YouTube that won’t allow basic language because oh my god won’t anyone think of the children!?
Exactly, but it erks me that it has moved into irl interaction. Perhaps I’m just an old man, (I am) and I get that even speaking in public sometimes requires self censorship on the simple grounds that it’s polite, but using corporate approved verbage on every day conversation fills.me with rage and regret
People can obviously say whatever they want, but my opinion is that substituting curse words makes people sound juvenile and the intent is still the same as the original word. You are still making people do a curse conversion in their heads. So why even bother? Kind of like people who won’t say goddamnit, but they’ll say gawldamnit or something like that. Do you think you’re fucking tricking god? There are plenty of other words that can be used for emphasis.
OK but holy forking shirtballs was contextually hilarious and I will always respect a good place reference.
I don’t care if someone wants to say fork, that’s fine, and there aren’t many people that have a problem with that, and if they do, they can’t force you to say things differently anyway. At worst you get a post complaining
The real problem is the other way around; that major internet sites are word policing the crap out of everyone else to the point where you cannot even say words like “death”. You have to say dumb shit like “unalive” and they do put real consequences to disobedience like being demonitized
Using the word Fork instead of Fuck IS a result if policing. We just want to undo that
I don’t care if people censor their swears, my problem is the word substitutions making whatever they’re saying nigh unreadable like “Unalive”, “grape”, “PDF file”.
PDF file?
Edit: oh wait. I had to say it out loud. Pedophile.
Peter File.
sure, but I’d still tell people they’re allowed to say the word.
No, fuck that.
Either stop self-censoring or don’t structure your comments and sentences to use the word. This half-assed censoring is the lazy coward’s way out
thats forking bullshirt
Wait why can’t I say fork?
first sign of [spoiler]. you can’t even say fuck as you wish.
Don’t self-censor the way you want to! Self-censor the way I tell you to!
imo dont self-censor at all… either swear or don’t, but don’t “ohhh can’t say the naughty words”
do what you want, but it’s fucking annoying to read
This
I’ve posted about this before and met the same results. People are very convinced that the danger of the internet becoming more ad friendly is more important that letting people say what they wanna say. In a way I do get it, but it’s annoying not being able to do what you wanna do.
I’ve always used frack , has a similar vibe to fuck
BSG, frak yeah!!
I sometimes use “censored” words because they’re ducking hilarious
To me fork makes way more sense, I feel like it conveys a totally different tone, and therefor has a different function in communicating
I guess a sensored f—k does too, but not anywhere near as distinct.
I feel like it conveys a totally different tone, and therefor has a different function in communicating
You’re forking right it does.
Censored f–k or f*ck or whatever doesn’t really convey a different tone, other than trying to say something without saying it. Which is annoying and frustrating, it puts work onto the listener that should have been done by the communicator.
Fork does come out with a different tone, because it doesn’t sound as harsh. It’s like how saying shit is a bit less severe than saying fuck - fork would be less than both of these, maybe on par with crap.
Ay yes lets let corporations rule all of us wven further by proxy. How dare we swear on a medium that could be reuploaded to their platform
I dunno, I think it’s a little childish to censor swear words instead of finding a replacement or just saying the swear, but it’s not that big a deal.
what’s worse is people saying r*pe or rap3 instead of rape, or “sui” or “unalive” instead of suicide. people shouldn’t have to figure out how every Homestuck character would say a word if they wanna block content including these things.
Fuck that self-censorship bullshit.
You can use expletives, or you can use words that aren’t expletives to express what you want to say. Both are valid choices.
Using bowdlerized versions of expletives like a child trying to get away with “naughty” words or a YouTuber/TikToker trying to prevent being demonetized, though? That’s unnecessary to the point of obnoxiousness in an uncensored environment like Lemmy.
People’s fucking speech patterns are being affected by big brother and they are genuinely just ok with it. I don’t know how to explain to someone that changing the way you talk changes the way you think and you are letting corpos do that to you. AND THEN THEY GO AND DEFEND IT.
That’s fine and all, but sometimes it’s funny to use good place style censorship, sometimes people want to keep their language appropriate for cleaner circumstances as they struggle with code switching, and sometimes people want to repost something they saw online without uncensoring it.
Personally I don’t give a flying fuck, a hot damn, a fucking shit, or whatever other expletive one prefers to express indifference and I do hate the rise of advertiser friendly censorship, but also I don’t know if I’m more tired of the complaints about it and complaints about the word “slams” in news headlines, but both are about as certain as finding “first” in a 2010 comments section.
If one wants to keep their cirumstances clean they can chose to not use the word fuck in any way at all. And if you are tired about people protesting censorship your future is gonna be really annoying.
If they don’t want to use those expletives we don’t have to take it in a censored way (our ears are not a toilet)
I suppose i don’t see the point.
The reader knows what you censored either way, so by using the words and then censoring them you don’t achieve your implied preference for reducing vulgarity in communication (so it might be more impactful and irregular when applied) at all.
Anyone who reads “forking shut” knows what you are writing there in reality. Kinda feels to me like putting on censored porn to make it family friendly, that’s not working. Either watch a family movie, or some actual porn in private.
The only reasonable course of action would be to avoid vulgarity and those stand-ins for it completely in your communication.
I brought this up recently. Talking around a topic is still talking about it. If you want to have an adult conversation, use adult words. No one is requiring you to curse at all, but if you’re going to, treat the audience as the age you’re targeting.
Fonk yes! Hey, why can’t I say “fonk”? What the hell is going on here? Oh, hey, there’s one!
The proper term is “forking shirt” and you should be ashamed for writing anything different.
You’re missing the point. The fact you’re inferring that the writer is trying to “sneak a meaning past”, or “reduce vulgarity”, or “make it family friendly” is all assumptions.
If someone wants to say…
They want to. That’s it. Stop word-policing people…
See my response down below. I dont police, I’m just saying there is a logical inconsistency here. You want to swear, then do. You dont like it, then don’t. Using censored swears accomplishes neither.
It’s. Not. Censorship. I really can’t be any clearer than that. Censorship is when your intended words or ideas are suppressed. No matter how many downvotes OP receives, it changes nothing. All words are made up, and if you think they should use different made-up words, then yes you fucking are word-policing.
Why are you putting words into my mouth? I never said or even suggested there is a government or so at play here suppressing ideas.
There is just a logical inconsistency in the whole concept, and also in OPs reasoning, which for arguments sake i take offense with. In truth i, again, dont don’t really give a shit how he writes, or you for that matter.
The reasoning is irrelevant. Those are the words the person is choosing to use, and no one is in any way negatively affected by it.
I mean, I’m not policing your words here, write how you want what do I care.
But you brought up the reasoning yourself, and when I find it flawed your response is “I don’t need a reason”.
But you brought up the reasoning yourself
Where? Their whole post is just “let people say what they want to say”. You’re the one trying to force them to justify it or fit your weird rubric.
They did say they’re in favour of not “carpet bombing f-bombs” which does sound like they’d prefer less vulgarity and they
censor any curse word in order to achieve that.see censoring curse words as a way to achieve that.Edit: clarity
Stating their personal preference isn’t a “reasoning”. Do you also think someone that wears a blue shirt is “reasoning” that everyone should wear blue shirts forever?
They mentioned their preference in context of their thesis (“it’s perfectly fine to censor curse words”) so I can’t help but understand it as meant to support that thesis.
I think it was more of an example of why someone would want to use censored curses without it having any wierd reasoning like religion or something. Just an illustration that censored curses are not necessarily evil. That’s an important context. But it’s just context, not the basis of the point. The point was: don’t tell people what words they should use, it’s not your business.
Look man, you can say potato means underwear all you want, but if you start saying you’re wearing potato under your pants people are going to look at you weird. You are not the only party involved in communication, and thus your preferences are only part of the equation, and people will interpret and process your words based on conventions, not just your personal thoughts on the matter.
