It’s the marketing hypertrain in action. The only real advantages Tesla ever had were their motors (the one designed by the 2 real Tesla founders) and their deal with Panasonic, which allowed them to manufacture batteries in house, bringing down the cost. The car itself was just a plastic shell for the two.
That time has now come and gone. All the other auto companies make competing, if not better motors, and all the other battery companies are also making “tabless” batteries. BMW is even rocking true solid-state batteries in some of their newer cars.
Oh, and the dumpster fire that they call “self-driving”. Can’t forget about that.
All the other auto companies make competing, if not better motors
Maybe motors and batteries, but the vehicles as a whole need help. Coming from a Tesla Model 3, and ending up driving several other models these last few months for several weeks at a time… Most other manufacturers don’t know what the fuck they’re doing with EVs.
The Kia EV6 rental that I currently have they seem to have just swapped the gas motor for an EV motor and battery pack, and left everything else about the vehicle the same. So it doesn’t know what the fuck it is. The key fob does wake the car up as you walk up and it unfolds the mirrors and lights flash at you, but it doesn’t actually unlock the car, you still have to lock and unlock it via the buttons on the fob. So it seems like they said, people expect EVs to welcome them, and made it do that but didn’t actually think it through. So why does it wake up at all? There’s a Start button just like you have on ICE, and you have to turn it back off when you’re done, as if it needs to start and stop an ICE engine. It has an accessory mode for charging, but warns you that it will drain the battery, presumably because it still only uses the 12V battery for that, and the HV system won’t charge that if the car isn’t “ON”? And the EV6 is one of the models I see recommended all over the place online.
No the old cars do have the old 12v one in still. They obviously learned its a bad idea. Newer models don’t have it and have a lithium rechargeable instead.
I’m not sure of the intricacies but this change was made to avoid the dead 12v situations. I imagine now as the main battery can now recharge the lithium one easily it keeps it topped up somehow to avoid this happening.
I left my Tesla for nearly 3 week holiday not plugged in and it was fine when i came back.
From what you say, it sounds like it behaves like most people expect a car to behave. Even the door lock feature. Our 2015 Highlander will light up when we walk near it, but won’t unlock unless the key holder grabs one of the front door handles.
Gotta remember, the fact that you’re already aware of fundamental differences shows that you are above average. The average person only sees their car as an A-to-B appliance, and will get confused if their car doesn’t behave like every other car.
It’s probably just personal preference and the door lock issue is probably a security precaution. One of the big ways people are breaking into or stealing modern cars that use “smart” keys is with a mirroring attack. They use a long-ish antenna (1m or so) to pickup the FOB inside your house, then mirror the signal to the car with a phone/tablet. Once they’re in your car, things get even worse. Honda’s for example used to store their security codes in the OBD computer (I don’t know if this is still true). Meaning thieves could plug in a technician OBD tool (they’re like $1,000 on Amazon), then program a brand-new virgin key for your car, right there in your driveway, hit the start button and drive off. All in under 30-seconds. The non-smart keyed cars were even worse, since the alarm doesn’t go off if you pick the lock (no joke lol)
To add to this, Kia (and Hyundai) were previously vulnerable to the USB cable hack - people could tear down the steering column and use a charger cable to start the car and drive away.
It’s the marketing hypertrain in action. The only real advantages Tesla ever had were their motors (the one designed by the 2 real Tesla founders) and their deal with Panasonic, which allowed them to manufacture batteries in house, bringing down the cost. The car itself was just a plastic shell for the two.
That time has now come and gone. All the other auto companies make competing, if not better motors, and all the other battery companies are also making “tabless” batteries. BMW is even rocking true solid-state batteries in some of their newer cars.
Oh, and the dumpster fire that they call “self-driving”. Can’t forget about that.
Maybe motors and batteries, but the vehicles as a whole need help. Coming from a Tesla Model 3, and ending up driving several other models these last few months for several weeks at a time… Most other manufacturers don’t know what the fuck they’re doing with EVs.
The Kia EV6 rental that I currently have they seem to have just swapped the gas motor for an EV motor and battery pack, and left everything else about the vehicle the same. So it doesn’t know what the fuck it is. The key fob does wake the car up as you walk up and it unfolds the mirrors and lights flash at you, but it doesn’t actually unlock the car, you still have to lock and unlock it via the buttons on the fob. So it seems like they said, people expect EVs to welcome them, and made it do that but didn’t actually think it through. So why does it wake up at all? There’s a Start button just like you have on ICE, and you have to turn it back off when you’re done, as if it needs to start and stop an ICE engine. It has an accessory mode for charging, but warns you that it will drain the battery, presumably because it still only uses the 12V battery for that, and the HV system won’t charge that if the car isn’t “ON”? And the EV6 is one of the models I see recommended all over the place online.
To my knowledge, the Tesla still has a 12 volt battery that has to be separately charged if you leave the thing off for more than 2 weeks.
They used to but not anymore, they now have a rechargeable lithium 16V battery.
So they went back and fixed all of the old ones? That’s not something I had heard of, tbh.
No the old cars do have the old 12v one in still. They obviously learned its a bad idea. Newer models don’t have it and have a lithium rechargeable instead.
Will it still run that dead in sentry mode while the engine batteries remain charged and unused?
I’m not sure of the intricacies but this change was made to avoid the dead 12v situations. I imagine now as the main battery can now recharge the lithium one easily it keeps it topped up somehow to avoid this happening.
I left my Tesla for nearly 3 week holiday not plugged in and it was fine when i came back.
Yeah, I expect it should last longer, lithium has a higher energy density.
It sounds like a patch, not necessarily a fix. If it sat too long you’d likely still end up in a similar situation.
From what you say, it sounds like it behaves like most people expect a car to behave. Even the door lock feature. Our 2015 Highlander will light up when we walk near it, but won’t unlock unless the key holder grabs one of the front door handles.
Gotta remember, the fact that you’re already aware of fundamental differences shows that you are above average. The average person only sees their car as an A-to-B appliance, and will get confused if their car doesn’t behave like every other car.
It’s probably just personal preference and the door lock issue is probably a security precaution. One of the big ways people are breaking into or stealing modern cars that use “smart” keys is with a mirroring attack. They use a long-ish antenna (1m or so) to pickup the FOB inside your house, then mirror the signal to the car with a phone/tablet. Once they’re in your car, things get even worse. Honda’s for example used to store their security codes in the OBD computer (I don’t know if this is still true). Meaning thieves could plug in a technician OBD tool (they’re like $1,000 on Amazon), then program a brand-new virgin key for your car, right there in your driveway, hit the start button and drive off. All in under 30-seconds. The non-smart keyed cars were even worse, since the alarm doesn’t go off if you pick the lock (no joke lol)
To add to this, Kia (and Hyundai) were previously vulnerable to the USB cable hack - people could tear down the steering column and use a charger cable to start the car and drive away.