The city of Montreal confirmed it plans to shut down a concert by a U.S.-based Christian musician who has been described as a “MAGA superstar,” saying the venue does not hold proper permits.
Churches have been the ones helping the most though, especially the Catholic church. What’s wrong with that? People donate money to those places and with that money when it doesn’t go into improving the building itself or organizing events it goes to help the poor. We have a place here called Saint Vincent de Paul, it’s some organization that gives away or sell at very low and affordable cost, things like clothing, appliances and pretty much some of everything. The Catholic church has been very helpful to me in times of need. Most of the charity organizations in my area are connected to the church to some extent. And they don’t care that I am not a Christian or even Catholic, they still help everyone no matter what.
Does any of that happen today though? And yes the Catholics have done some horrible things in the past like the crusades and the inquisition. I am not saying that didn’t happen. But I am talking about the present day.
Is there an updated version of Poe’s law where instead of being unable to distinguish conservative posters from trolls, it’s being unable to distinguish between AI bots and uninformed-yet-strongly opinionated trolls? I honestly can’t tell if you are specifically intending to be obtuse and ignorant, or if you really aren’t aware of the multitudes of recent church scandals. If it’s the latter, then I’d love to know which rock you’re living under and if there’s enough room for me, because it must be much nicer under there than it is out here.
…and if you’re curious about why most of the world wants clergy to be made mandatory reporters, here’s a short list of modern sex abuse scandals involving clergy; though this is far from exhaustive and only focuses on the Catholic church. There are a lot more cases out there from all religions and denominations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country
You are calling me ignorant when you yourself are ignorant about Catholicism. Priests must never disclose any confession people make to them. If you were better informed you wouldn’t make such comment. Just show how ignorant people are here about religion. Confessions are to be kept private and can never be disclosed to anyone. Even if a murderer confess killing someone, the priest must keep quiet. Because telling to others about what they heard in confession could get them excommunicated. They are meant to be private, not for the world to see and then the priest ask God to forgive the people for their sins. It’s not the priest’s duty to abandon their faith because some rapist confessed their sins. Though priest do recommend those people to go to the police.
Thanks for trying. The rose colored glasses are twice as thick these days. I honestly can’t tell if they are a troll or not but you spent some effort here for the record.
Sure and I’m glad that those organizations have worked well for you, but I’ve also seen these type of charities abuse the fact that they’re the only help in town and use it as an excuse to proselytize to people.
And they’re not the only charities in towns. A lot of the time there are other organizations that are secular that they also help. I prefer these because to me there is less of a chance of abuse
As far as church is being tax-exempt, I don’t want to get into it, but it’s extraordinarily abused. All you need to do is look at Scientology and Mormonism. On top of that, the Catholic Church also gets a huge amount of money from parishioners, and not all of it flows back into the community.
If they operate cleanly as a 501 3c non-profit, then I think that’s fine.
Firstly, the world needs to go to rehab for the opium of the masses.
Secondly, this is a story from a Canadian source about a Canadian city, so we would be likely talking about the Canada Not-for-Profit Corporations Act, unless of course it was incorporated under the equivalent Quebec Act.
The church likely is in complete compliance with the act, it’s very easy to be.
The Faith-based defence clauses in s.224(2), s.251(3), and 253(2) of the act are a problem, and should be removed though.
Yeah, the religious defenses are specifically what I’m talking about. There should be no reason for any sort of religious defense at all in these type of charities. If they’re going to operate, they need to operate under a secular framework.
I don’t care if they do it in the name of their god or for whatever reason they’re doing it, but it needs to be done in full compliance with secular raas with no religious exemptions.
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When Marx was talking about the opium of the masses, he didn’t mean it as a drug that we are addicted to, he meant it as a salve for humanity, so we can get through the absolute worst things. I don’t have a problem with people being religious as long as they use a material reasoning for their decisions, they cannot justify any decisions solely based off metaphysical religion.
Firstly, the world needs to go to rehab for the opium of the masses.
And how is atheism any different? They are all different beliefs. One who is religious could say the same about those who believe in nothing. Atheism also has major flaws like morality being just one’s opinion so anything goes or being based on what is socially acceptable currently. And many things that would be wrong today were socially acceptable in the past (that weren’t even linked to religion). Like supremacy of one race over the other. While both Christianity and Islam promote racial equality and that we’re all equal in the eyes of God.
You need to do waaay more reading on morality because it is so clear you are just shooting off the top of your cuff using common Christian apologist arguments against atheism that are super easily debunked.
Atheism isn’t a belief in anything, it is a lack of belief in gods, specifically. A lack of belief is not the same thing as a belief.
“Morality”, as you define it here, is always based on opinion, even in religious texts, that’s why we have to interpret religious texts in order to figure out what is and isn’t moral. You know, or when a priest says they’re gonna go into deep prayer to figure something out, that is interpretation.
As well as, you will find atheists that believe in objective morality, the belief that we all are born with a certain set of morals, along with atheists that believe in moral relativity, which claims that morality is an evolutionary trait designed to enhance cooperation and survival. Personally, I think we do have a very, very, very small set of base morals, such as killing is wrong without a real, and then most of our morality is based on the specifics of each situation.
I don’t think, like a good number of atheists, that religion is the bane of all evil, but I do think that religion is a tool that is utilized and abused by many who seek power and that our governments do nothing to curb that abuse of power. See televangelists, see Scientology, see the Mormon Church, see Jehovah’s Witness, see gay conversion therapy camps. These are all modern problems caused by the way in which we allow modern religion institutions to exempt itself from the laws of the governing state.
Imagine having such a a weak grasp on human interaction that you can’t determine right and wrong without listening to someone else for guidance. Even then, if you aren’t questioning your spiritual leader on moral teachings then you don’t really hold those moral values. You are just doing as your told. This is why it’s common for religious folks to do awful shit when they think they have anonymity or privacy.
What you’re describing is called dogmatic thinking and it’s not solely the purview of religious thinkers.
I know a number of people who are pushing dogmatic view points as atheists, as democrats, as republicans, as just standard people.
I mean, even what you’re asserting here is a dogmatic viewpoint of the many new gen atheists. There’s no study or proof that shows that religious thinkers don’t think about morality the same way that secular thinkers think about morality or that religious thinkers are any more dogmatic than their secular counterparts.
People have a tendency to do awful shit when they think they’re not being watched. You’re just describing the average person.
I’m more trying to drill down that when you pass judgement off to a deity or religious leader you tend to do less introspection. When your moral judge is yourself you are never really alone.
I mean it’s fine if they welcome people to the faith and that their charitable work gets more people to join their faith. No one is forced to join and they will never deny you anything just because you are not religious so there is no pressure to join. I don’t know specifically about Mormon and Scientology though. I mostly know about the Catholic church. Since my area is mostly Catholic. And yeah I know in the past the Catholic church had some scandals and did some bad things but in the modern day they are mostly doing good things and helping a lot of people. I also was given help in my own community (I am a Muslim) and they were great too but I didn’t see them doing as much charity as Catholic churches, maybe because they are a small minority where I live.
I’m not saying that religious institutions don’t bring some good into their community, but I am saying that major religious institutions overall seem to be a net harm to humanity than they are a net benefit. As far as Catholicism comes to mind, there’s quite a few people that have quite a lot to say about how the priest treated them when they were minors that the church covered up and continues to cover up. In my opinion, you can’t have an organization go legitimate while it’s trying to cover up child abuse such as this.
I also completely disagree with the proselytizing, and think that it’s not necessary there are plenty of homeless people that are homeless due to religious trauma and don’t need to be re-victimized every time they try to go eat because the place they want to go to insists on proselytizing every time they’re in there. I also may just have a personal bias against being proselytized too.
Look, I’m not saying it’s all bad, I’m just saying that there is propensity for religious institutions to abuse their power, which is true of any large corporation that gets big enough, but religious institutions are made particularly heinous by the religious exemptions they get to utilize, which secular organizations don’t have.
I’m sure it’s just because the community you’re in is really small, and in America, or Canada at least, people are not exactly friendly to the muslim community. I do hope that things are going well for you in that regard and that you are finding peace and safety.
I’d rather that money go into secular organizations.
Churches have been the ones helping the most though, especially the Catholic church. What’s wrong with that? People donate money to those places and with that money when it doesn’t go into improving the building itself or organizing events it goes to help the poor. We have a place here called Saint Vincent de Paul, it’s some organization that gives away or sell at very low and affordable cost, things like clothing, appliances and pretty much some of everything. The Catholic church has been very helpful to me in times of need. Most of the charity organizations in my area are connected to the church to some extent. And they don’t care that I am not a Christian or even Catholic, they still help everyone no matter what.
What’s wrong with that?
Wave vaguely at all the resident school mass graves and pedophilias
Does any of that happen today though? And yes the Catholics have done some horrible things in the past like the crusades and the inquisition. I am not saying that didn’t happen. But I am talking about the present day.
The US just voted down a bill that would require religious institutions to report child rape that they are currently not required to report.
So yes
Proof? And what makes it “not required to report”?
Is there an updated version of Poe’s law where instead of being unable to distinguish conservative posters from trolls, it’s being unable to distinguish between AI bots and uninformed-yet-strongly opinionated trolls? I honestly can’t tell if you are specifically intending to be obtuse and ignorant, or if you really aren’t aware of the multitudes of recent church scandals. If it’s the latter, then I’d love to know which rock you’re living under and if there’s enough room for me, because it must be much nicer under there than it is out here.
You’re on the internet, the entirety of human knowledge is at your fingertips. This specific info is just a search and a few moments of light reading away, but just in case you’re actually a real person and are asking out of sincere curiosity, here’s a few links for you to check out: https://nypost.com/2025/07/18/us-news/judge-blocks-washington-state-law-requiring-catholic-priests-to-report-abuse-even-if-disclosed-in-confession/
Meanwhile, France and other EU nations are done with allowing the church to assist with covering up and hiding crimes under the guise of clergy-penitent privs. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/12/catholic-priests-france-report-abuse-allegations-confession
…and if you’re curious about why most of the world wants clergy to be made mandatory reporters, here’s a short list of modern sex abuse scandals involving clergy; though this is far from exhaustive and only focuses on the Catholic church. There are a lot more cases out there from all religions and denominations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country
You are calling me ignorant when you yourself are ignorant about Catholicism. Priests must never disclose any confession people make to them. If you were better informed you wouldn’t make such comment. Just show how ignorant people are here about religion. Confessions are to be kept private and can never be disclosed to anyone. Even if a murderer confess killing someone, the priest must keep quiet. Because telling to others about what they heard in confession could get them excommunicated. They are meant to be private, not for the world to see and then the priest ask God to forgive the people for their sins. It’s not the priest’s duty to abandon their faith because some rapist confessed their sins. Though priest do recommend those people to go to the police.
Thanks for trying. The rose colored glasses are twice as thick these days. I honestly can’t tell if they are a troll or not but you spent some effort here for the record.
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Sure and I’m glad that those organizations have worked well for you, but I’ve also seen these type of charities abuse the fact that they’re the only help in town and use it as an excuse to proselytize to people.
And they’re not the only charities in towns. A lot of the time there are other organizations that are secular that they also help. I prefer these because to me there is less of a chance of abuse
As far as church is being tax-exempt, I don’t want to get into it, but it’s extraordinarily abused. All you need to do is look at Scientology and Mormonism. On top of that, the Catholic Church also gets a huge amount of money from parishioners, and not all of it flows back into the community.
If they operate cleanly as a 501 3c non-profit, then I think that’s fine.
Firstly, the world needs to go to rehab for the opium of the masses.
Secondly, this is a story from a Canadian source about a Canadian city, so we would be likely talking about the Canada Not-for-Profit Corporations Act, unless of course it was incorporated under the equivalent Quebec Act.
The church likely is in complete compliance with the act, it’s very easy to be.
The Faith-based defence clauses in s.224(2), s.251(3), and 253(2) of the act are a problem, and should be removed though.
Yeah, the religious defenses are specifically what I’m talking about. There should be no reason for any sort of religious defense at all in these type of charities. If they’re going to operate, they need to operate under a secular framework.
I don’t care if they do it in the name of their god or for whatever reason they’re doing it, but it needs to be done in full compliance with secular raas with no religious exemptions.
Edit:
When Marx was talking about the opium of the masses, he didn’t mean it as a drug that we are addicted to, he meant it as a salve for humanity, so we can get through the absolute worst things. I don’t have a problem with people being religious as long as they use a material reasoning for their decisions, they cannot justify any decisions solely based off metaphysical religion.
And how is atheism any different? They are all different beliefs. One who is religious could say the same about those who believe in nothing. Atheism also has major flaws like morality being just one’s opinion so anything goes or being based on what is socially acceptable currently. And many things that would be wrong today were socially acceptable in the past (that weren’t even linked to religion). Like supremacy of one race over the other. While both Christianity and Islam promote racial equality and that we’re all equal in the eyes of God.
You need to do waaay more reading on morality because it is so clear you are just shooting off the top of your cuff using common Christian apologist arguments against atheism that are super easily debunked.
Atheism isn’t a belief in anything, it is a lack of belief in gods, specifically. A lack of belief is not the same thing as a belief.
“Morality”, as you define it here, is always based on opinion, even in religious texts, that’s why we have to interpret religious texts in order to figure out what is and isn’t moral. You know, or when a priest says they’re gonna go into deep prayer to figure something out, that is interpretation.
As well as, you will find atheists that believe in objective morality, the belief that we all are born with a certain set of morals, along with atheists that believe in moral relativity, which claims that morality is an evolutionary trait designed to enhance cooperation and survival. Personally, I think we do have a very, very, very small set of base morals, such as killing is wrong without a real, and then most of our morality is based on the specifics of each situation.
I don’t think, like a good number of atheists, that religion is the bane of all evil, but I do think that religion is a tool that is utilized and abused by many who seek power and that our governments do nothing to curb that abuse of power. See televangelists, see Scientology, see the Mormon Church, see Jehovah’s Witness, see gay conversion therapy camps. These are all modern problems caused by the way in which we allow modern religion institutions to exempt itself from the laws of the governing state.
Imagine having such a a weak grasp on human interaction that you can’t determine right and wrong without listening to someone else for guidance. Even then, if you aren’t questioning your spiritual leader on moral teachings then you don’t really hold those moral values. You are just doing as your told. This is why it’s common for religious folks to do awful shit when they think they have anonymity or privacy.
What you’re describing is called dogmatic thinking and it’s not solely the purview of religious thinkers.
I know a number of people who are pushing dogmatic view points as atheists, as democrats, as republicans, as just standard people.
I mean, even what you’re asserting here is a dogmatic viewpoint of the many new gen atheists. There’s no study or proof that shows that religious thinkers don’t think about morality the same way that secular thinkers think about morality or that religious thinkers are any more dogmatic than their secular counterparts.
People have a tendency to do awful shit when they think they’re not being watched. You’re just describing the average person.
I’m more trying to drill down that when you pass judgement off to a deity or religious leader you tend to do less introspection. When your moral judge is yourself you are never really alone.
I mean it’s fine if they welcome people to the faith and that their charitable work gets more people to join their faith. No one is forced to join and they will never deny you anything just because you are not religious so there is no pressure to join. I don’t know specifically about Mormon and Scientology though. I mostly know about the Catholic church. Since my area is mostly Catholic. And yeah I know in the past the Catholic church had some scandals and did some bad things but in the modern day they are mostly doing good things and helping a lot of people. I also was given help in my own community (I am a Muslim) and they were great too but I didn’t see them doing as much charity as Catholic churches, maybe because they are a small minority where I live.
I’m not saying that religious institutions don’t bring some good into their community, but I am saying that major religious institutions overall seem to be a net harm to humanity than they are a net benefit. As far as Catholicism comes to mind, there’s quite a few people that have quite a lot to say about how the priest treated them when they were minors that the church covered up and continues to cover up. In my opinion, you can’t have an organization go legitimate while it’s trying to cover up child abuse such as this.
I also completely disagree with the proselytizing, and think that it’s not necessary there are plenty of homeless people that are homeless due to religious trauma and don’t need to be re-victimized every time they try to go eat because the place they want to go to insists on proselytizing every time they’re in there. I also may just have a personal bias against being proselytized too.
Look, I’m not saying it’s all bad, I’m just saying that there is propensity for religious institutions to abuse their power, which is true of any large corporation that gets big enough, but religious institutions are made particularly heinous by the religious exemptions they get to utilize, which secular organizations don’t have.
I’m sure it’s just because the community you’re in is really small, and in America, or Canada at least, people are not exactly friendly to the muslim community. I do hope that things are going well for you in that regard and that you are finding peace and safety.