We all see and hear what goes on over there. Kim will execute kids if they don’t cheer hard enough at his birthday party or something? He’s always threatening to nuke countries and is probably has the highest domestic kill count out of any world leader today.

So I ask? Why don’t any other countries step in to help those people. I saw a survey asking Americans and Escaped North Koreans would they migrate to North Korea and to the US if given the chance (hypothetical for the refugees). And it was like <0.1% to 95%. Obviously those people live in terror.

Why do we just allow this to happen in modern civilization? Nukes on South Korea? Is just not lucrative to step in? SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME PLEASE!?

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    America already tried to save the North Koreans once. It was called the “Korean War”.

    We bombed them back to the stone age, then permanently isolated them from most of the world. Despite having good reasons for the start of the war, America treated NK like Israel currently treats Gaza.

    Even if North Koreans tried to forget that America bombed every hospital, every water purification plant, all the electricity production, etc; the Kim regime’s propaganda will make sure they never forget.

    If we actually wanted to help those people, the first step would be removal of economic sanctions. There is no clean way to remove dictatorship, but the “Arab Spring” model is much more effective and humane than the “Afghanistan War” model.

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      the Kim regime’s propaganda will make sure they never forget.

      It’s the peak of chauvinism to think people would need propaganda to remember you leveling their entire country.

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        Yes I agree.

        If you use context instead of cherry picking a half-sentence then maybe you would understand that is part of the broader point I am trying to get across to a western, chauvinism-brained audience.

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        If you read the previous comment more closely you’ll realize that the commentor wasn’t comparing today’s NK to Gaza, but Korea during the Korean War to Gaza. That is a reasonable comparison, as nearly every standing structure was bombed.

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                  If Donbas was at the time part of Russia it would be like that. So it’s not really like that. Since North Korea actually went into South Korea with the intention of taking it over.

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                    If Donbas was at the time part of Russia it would be like that.

                    You think South Korea was part of the USA?

                    Since North Korea actually went into South Korea with the intention of taking it over.

                    No, that’s like saying “Ukraine went into Donbas with the intention of taking it over.”

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                You can’t really “invade” your own country. North and South Korea were two sides in a civil war, with both sides claiming each other’s territory and aiming towards unification. It’s like saying that George Washington “invaded” Yorktown or that Lincoln “invaded” Virginia.

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                  The South did invade the North though in the US civil war.

                  The Maryland campaign (or Antietam campaign) occurred September 4–20, 1862, during the American Civil War. The campaign was Confederate General Robert E. Lee’s first invasion of the North.

                  And if you don’t want to use the word “invaded”, I guess you could just say that North Korea attacked the South, kicking off the war

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                    Sure, the North attacked the South. In fact, the North also attacked the North. That’s generally how revolutions work, after all.

                    None of this really pertains to foreigners coming in and levelling the country and dropping chemical weapons everywhere and slaughtering a ton of civilians.

                    The campaign was Confederate General Robert E. Lee’s first invasion of the North.

                    From the Confederacy’s perspective, the Union was a separate country.

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                What war? The Korean War from 70 years ago? Because they’ve been at peace since then, but some loonies in this thread want to go over and start trouble with them.

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                    The difference between peace and an indefinite ceasefire is a scrap of paper. For all intents and purposes, they’re at peace.

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                    "Koreans started the Korean War by invading Korea, so naturally the US had no choice but to drop a ton of chemical weapons on civilian targets, to defend itself.

                    Also, I’m an anarchist."

                    Cool.

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        You have obviously misunderstood me.

        I was comparing the United States actions in the Korean War(1950s) to Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza. The mass civilian bombing campaigns, complete destruction of civilian infrastructure, manmade famine, widespread preventable disease, and imposed economic isolation are very similar between the two cases.

        I am not comparing current-day North Korea to current-day Gaza, and I agree with you that would not be a good analogy.

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            The issue as you see it:

            clings on to a pseudo-scientific economic ideology

            The prescription you suggest:

            pseudo-scientific economic ideology

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            So your thesis is that the 1950s war was inconsequential, and then you lay the entire blame on the Kim regime and their policies?

            My dude, how do you think the Kim regime became a dictatorship?

            Before the 1950s war, Kim was a weak puppet leader propped up by the Soviet Union. By the end of the war, the Kim regime had dictatorial power, which persists to this day.