I disagree completely with you. People who know it’s bad aren’t going to do anything, and people who think others are overreacting aren’t going to care without proof.
This is like a factory farm where all the animals are kept in horrible conditions. You cannot make a vegan out of “they are treated bad” but you can if you show them.
I feel you are just making excuses for weak people who can do something but choose not to.
people who think others are overreacting aren’t going to care without proof.
These people will never be satisfied, regardless of however, much proof and evidence you provide. It’s a trolling tactic known as Sealioning. Endless demands for proof while acknowledging none of them, regardless of how undeniable. It’s a delayed tactic to avoid ever having to admit that they were wrong or at fault, betting that you will eventually give up first.
This is like a factory farm where all the animals are kept in horrible conditions. You cannot make a vegan out of “they are treated bad” but you can if you show them.
You’re not gonna convince anyone with bad faith arguments based on niche morality. If you’re gonna cite the problem being that the farm is a “factory farm”, then the alternative is to, obviously, make it a humane farm. But, as a vegan, your agenda is too clearly shame people for eating meat altogether. That makes your criticism a factory farming, disingenuous, since the obvious alternative, human farming, isn’t didn’t even an option for you. Your problem isn’t with factory farming, your problem is with the fact that people eat meat in the first place. And you’re never gonna win an ideological war with an extremely dubious moral argument.
I feel you are just making excuses for weak people who can do something but choose not to.
And I think you’re being hypocritical of others, considering the context of your judgments when measured against your own actions, attempting to make/enact social change because you realize the hypocrisy and nonsensical position of your own argument.
That’s my point though. They aren’t doing a modest change when presented with information regarding factory farms. Because that modest change would come at an increased (financial) cost.
I disagree completely with you. People who know it’s bad aren’t going to do anything, and people who think others are overreacting aren’t going to care without proof.
This is like a factory farm where all the animals are kept in horrible conditions. You cannot make a vegan out of “they are treated bad” but you can if you show them.
I feel you are just making excuses for weak people who can do something but choose not to.
These people will never be satisfied, regardless of however, much proof and evidence you provide. It’s a trolling tactic known as Sealioning. Endless demands for proof while acknowledging none of them, regardless of how undeniable. It’s a delayed tactic to avoid ever having to admit that they were wrong or at fault, betting that you will eventually give up first.
You’re not gonna convince anyone with bad faith arguments based on niche morality. If you’re gonna cite the problem being that the farm is a “factory farm”, then the alternative is to, obviously, make it a humane farm. But, as a vegan, your agenda is too clearly shame people for eating meat altogether. That makes your criticism a factory farming, disingenuous, since the obvious alternative, human farming, isn’t didn’t even an option for you. Your problem isn’t with factory farming, your problem is with the fact that people eat meat in the first place. And you’re never gonna win an ideological war with an extremely dubious moral argument.
And I think you’re being hypocritical of others, considering the context of your judgments when measured against your own actions, attempting to make/enact social change because you realize the hypocrisy and nonsensical position of your own argument.
Even with knowledge of factory farms, the general public (non-vegan) don’t seriously seem to be pushing back and pushing for a change in farming.
Regardless of what vegans’ end goal is, spreading awareness doesn’t seem to be getting people to go for more modest changes either.
Perhaps, but you’re much more likely to get people to undertake modest to change than radical change.
That’s my point though. They aren’t doing a modest change when presented with information regarding factory farms. Because that modest change would come at an increased (financial) cost.
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