The liberal establishment’s war on the New York City mayoral candidate reflects panic over a growing left challenge to Zionist orthodoxy and the mainstreaming of Palestine solidarity

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    I mentioned Zohran to my aging mother (who lives in a suburb, and cannot vote in NYC elections). She was like, “You didn’t vote for him did you? He’s a communist

    We decided not to go into details right then, but it’s wild what a deep, emotional, response the idea of “communism” evokes. I don’t know what she even thinks it is.

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      People were more or less helping each other back in the 50’s after the war. The money boys got worried about that and Joseph McCarthy, along with Donald Trump’s mentor, Roy Cohn, started a communist witch hunt which eventually got out of hand. The communist stigma remained.

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      I don’t know what she even thinks it is.

      She thinks it’s the enemy.

      That type of response has nothing to do with politics or even reality, it’s just “us vs. them”. People attribute everything they think is evil to “them”.

      (It’s not just communism hate. Because anyone who knows what it is, know that he isn’t one.)

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      You know those experiments Pavlov did with dogs that made them salivate to the sound of a bell (because they associated the sound with food)? Boomers essentially had that but the trigger is the word communism and the response is aversion / disgust.

      They didn’t have the internet back then so mainstream media could essentially control mainstream thought.

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      None of them do. They were just programmed real good during the red scare to have a knee-jerk reaction to anything with the name communist or socialist.

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      That reminds me of the woman who declared that she couldn’t vote for Barack Obama because he was a Muslim and an atheist.

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      “Communism” as it was in history should 100% invoke that reaction. The dude is not a communist tho.

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        Maybe. The natural reflex is to point out the horrors of capitalism, but people are more okay with that.

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          Not “maybe”. Countries were screwed over by communists, people murdered in the thousands with famines that killed millions. People excusing communism - either the Soviet Union or China are delusional.

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              “whatabout” doesn’t get you anywhere. There aren’t just two systems. Because newsflash, communism “is busted” too.

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            Isn’t the problem there authoritarianism? The Nazis were also authoritarian shitheads, but not communists.

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            Source: Author’s ass crack.

            These claims come from the “Black Book of Communism”, an old propaganda piece with wildly bullshit claims (provably so)

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              These “claims” as you put it come from a person who has lived in an area and talked to their parents and grandparents about it. So stay in your lane with your “hurr durr propaganda”. Soviets were war criminals, not a utopia and anyone saying otherwise is the one that’s brainwashed by history revisionism.

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          No, about Katyn and the years of occupation that followed till 89’ actually. And about Holodomor. And about using tanks against civilians. And about a ton of other things that tankies don’t know about because they think the Soviet Union was perfect

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            Ok, so what is your solution? Besides calling everyone to your left a commie?

            Capitalism is no longer working. The status quo is untenable.

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              My solution is to not glorify the Soviet Union as some sort of enlightened country when in reality it was a shithole that killed millions of people.

              Also, don’t put words in my mouth. Just because you think in “tribes” and everyone that doesn’t think exactly like you is your enemy, doesn’t mean other people are just as naive.

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                My solution is to not glorify the Soviet Union as some sort of enlightened country

                Am I doing that, or have you just decided that you hate everyone to your left and only your left and therefore they must be commies?

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                  I said "communism as it was in history should evoke a negative reaction. You then jumped in saying what basically amounts to “you are a nazi mad about losing”. I then said "no, I am mad about attrocities done to the various peoples because of the soviet union. To which you then respond “what else are we supposed to do?”

                  So:

                  1. You are arguing that communism as it was in history shouldn’t invoke a negative reaction

                  2. You are calling me a nazi

                  3. You are deflecting from the attrocities of communism and going “whatabout capitalism”.

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                    You are arguing that communism as it was in history shouldn’t invoke a negative reaction

                    If you would prefer that they hadn’t joined the Allies, just say so.

                    You are calling me a nazi

                    You call people to your left commies. And it’s clear that you consider only one to be evil.

                    You are deflecting from the attrocities of communism and going “whatabout capitalism”.

                    No, I’m asking what your solution is, as the current situation is untenable. So far your response has been “ur uh commie! Stop talking about the system in which you live and hate the commies!”

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        Communism tyrants and authoritarian dictatorships. Get a grip. Nobody has done real communism. They give the people fake participation while the wealth and power go to the top. It doesn’t matter which system you choose, if the rich and powerful take control you’re fucked. Capitalism worked for a while in the US, now it’s fucked because of the rich people.

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          If thats the case you should want communism kept as far away from the American government as possible. They can’t be trusted with that kind of power.

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        Yeah, there is only one party that is busy implementing their secret police

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          Yes, because there is only one party you mean. Oh, no, you didn’t mean the KGB, the black cars disappearing people, you just wanted to go “whatabout Murica” like that matters to the fact that communism hasn’t worked out in history and resulted in oppression.