All from in this thread in [email protected] about a chant at a British music festival where an artist said “death, death to the IDF”.
After other users were quoting that chant in the comments and had comments removed and banned, the hero of our story, @[email protected] (appearing as “acargitz”) pointed out that under international law, fighting an occupying force is legitimate. But apparently not under world news rules, as their removed comments and the many explanations from mods make clear in the thread.
Equally against the rules is the call for the eradication of an organisation or business, even without an explicit call to violence against individual members of the business.
In the same thread: user @[email protected] had comments removed for being anti-American “(again)”, though I couldn’t see the first time. It’s not even clear to me how the removed comments were anti-American.
Bonus points for the “DC Comics” removal reason. Though this seems to be incompetence, rather than malice.
It’s been a couple of weeks since @[email protected] was in here defending genocide. I almost missed the ugly fucking zio. Automatic PTB for anything he touches with his scummy little fingers.
Now all we need is @[email protected] in here to tell us how he’s misunderstood and really a good guy and we’re all being unfair.
Me:
Hi, my comments were deleted in politics for “internet slap fighting.” I read the rules of that community and don’t see “arguing” as a rule violation. I also find the term “slap fight” to be extremely sexist especially directed at me as a woman, especially since it’s not mentioned in your rules and the mod used that term on their own. I don’t see where I violated the rules with those comments. Please reinstate my comments, and please fire the mod who is abusing their power to be sexist against women with opinions.
Linebreak Me to outrageousmatter (refused to answer bc he is a coward too)
Hi, my comments were deleted in politics for “internet slap fighting.” I read the rules of that community and don’t see “arguing” as a rule violation. I also find the term “slap fight” to be extremely sexist especially directed at me as a woman, especially since it’s not mentioned in your rules and the mod used that term on their own. I don’t see where I violated the rules with those comments. Please reinstate my comments, and please fire the mod who is abusing their power to be sexist against women with opinions. In light of recent civil rights erosion towards women, and how few openly woman users there are on Lemmy, having a sexist mod in charge of a politics community is completely unacceptable.
Linebreak jordanlund
Your continual back and forth with “Soup” (btw, how funny is that statement out of context? Arguing with Soup? It’s like the “women lauging at salad” meme) wasn’t productive or healthy for either of you or for the group.
Not picking sides, just removed all of it.
Linebreak Me: if mods can just remove comments based on whims? Is that fair or just?
I think what I said was very well reasoned and made two great points. Arguments are learning opportunities for everyone. Besides, my argument with them finished yesterday and these comments were removed today. We hadn’t kept on arguing.
I can understand removing comments in arguments that violate rules. Eg me calling him a coward directly. I get that, that should be removed. But even in your own community’s rules, it says we can insult an idea or policy, just not a person. I don’t think it’s appropriate to unilaterally delete comments that don’t violate rules. It tends to suppress the speech of people who are marginalized and not status quo thinkers.
Thank you for your response.
(His response was to refuse to reinstate my comments which were productive and deserve to be heard, but gotta protect other men (I was arguing with a sexist who lost the argument), huh, while making jokes and laughing about my entire gender losing rights. I genuinely hope he gets ass cancer and shits blood).
Literally a tagline on the Tesseract front for dbzer0. Congrats on being infamous.
Obsessed with a hate sub because I’m a woman who talks about feminism. Pretty aure I wrote that about women’s right to vote being actively taken away and men not standing up for our rights. May it feel like spit on your face every time you read it. May the shame imbed into you.
Here’s some other quotes you can have of mine, you small dicked weasel
https://lemmy.world/post/21587225/13262257
https://lemmy.world/post/20333160/12637526
https://lemmy.world/post/19201830/12103781
https://lemmy.world/post/21644699/13344248
I hope all abusive, misogynistic men hate me. I certainly hate them. May you all get ass cancer.
Ok.
Eat shit
Ok.
Good girl
Misgendering as an insult? Coolio.
That’s sexist.
Well thats just rude. What did ass cancer do to deserve that? Those cells were differentiating, becoming less like him.
It’s more the psychological aspect of worrying every time he takes a shit and having to get colonoscopies to find out if he’s dying or not
So you think ass cancer is just something that exists to be sacrificed for the sake of your insurgency?
Thank you madame cia director, for your clarification.
I think ass cancer is something that exists to karmically haunt dicks like you
I think ass cancer has a vibrant and potentially eternal life, and that ass cancer’s best revenge will be outliving you.
Also, one of the very few cancers I’m not at elevated risk for. Sorry. It’s gotta get in line.
I do agree with your general sentiment upthread, i just don’t love the splash damage to ass cancer.
Your cancer is part of you and not a separate entity though. It isnt autonomous. Anyone who eats processed meat like bacon is at risk of ass cancer.
Wow. Okay. And children are property, yeah?
The concept of ‘self’ as coherent cohesive essential entity that responds to a coherent cohesive essential will located strictly on one side of the blood-brain barrier is a grand font of misperception and terrible ideas. ‘Your’ hands are very slightly autonomous, if not necessarily competent.
Even before rfkjr gutted the usda, i only ate about as much meat as an undisciplined vegan who doesnt know how to cook.
Now i think it’s been a couple months. I am, however, at elevated risk for breast skin lung throat various blood cancers…
🤣🤣🤣
Do you have receipts for that? That’s really fucked up if he does.
Here’s some screencaps, they read bottom to top
He is a petulant little child. Like a mini-Trump.
JordanLund is only mad at Trump because he’s a Republican. If he was a slightly better looking Democrat he’d support his polices.
Exactly, I’ve literally argued with him that Clinton was a bad person, with connections to Epstein and who denigrated her husband’s abuse victims, who literally stole our right to vote from us by paying off the DNC for an unfair election primary (admitted to in court). And if she was a feminist (and not an asshole gaining benefits from feminism while pulling up the ladder behind her), then she would support medical care for all, which she explicitly doesn’t. Getting women healthcare is one of the most feminist things a person can do and it is quite basic and goes back thousands of years.
He got really mad about that.
I’m not shocked at all that he supports Clinton despite the history of him and his wife.
Narcissism gonna narcissism
I can’t find the deleted comments bc he later permabanned me for this (below) post, which also doesn’t violate any rules (all sources are reputable)- https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373
What I posted above is literally a copy+paste of my DMs, I can post a screencap of it
I’ll happily advocate for the Palestinians’ rights to kill as many of the IDF as they can manage. It won’t solve their problems, but they’ve got every right to do it, and nothing else that I can see will solve any of their problems other than better leadership in the US.
I think you’ve probably understood me pretty well, what you decide about me is up to you just like it is for everyone else.
Don’t go to lemmy.world, it’s a silly place, for this among some other reasons.
Don’t you see the obvious contradiction between acknowledging that palestinian hard that right then censor the people who express that right. You don’t have to police how people formulate that right either
When did I advocate for censoring the people who express that right? I think you maybe have me confused with someone else here.
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Me: I like killing IDF people
You: HOW DARE YOU TRY TO CENSOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO KILL IDF PEOPLE
Me: What? I am not censoring anyone, I actually listed that censorship as a reason not to go to lemmy.world
You: IDF DESERVES TO DIE YOU MONSTER, HOW DARE YOU
Is there someone else near to you that I can speak with? Maybe I can explain it to them, and they can explain it to you.
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I literally can’t tell if you are a bot designed to gin up conflict, or if you’re legitimately someone who has this much difficulty in having a normal human conversation with anyone for personal reasons or something. If it’s the latter I hope you get better as time goes on.
Weird huh?
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Be the change you wish to see in the world.
As someone who suck at fight and would die instantly the least i can do is to support those Palestinians who are fighting the idf terrorists while you are against the death of the occupying soldiers
Valid.
Well, we can still hope somebody else does that.
I want to be clear that my beef with you has nothing to do with your opinion on the Palestinian genocide, and I’m not accusing you of being supportive of what Israel is doing.
The only thing I’m calling you out for is your tendency to defend mods that are generally known shitwanks in the Lemmy community for no other reason than you haven’t seen it yourself and you’re a rules lawyer.
Jeez, I thought I took Lemmy too seriously.
It’s not “defending genocide” to say [email protected] does not allow advocating violence.
I stand on my record calling for Netanyahu and the rest of Likud to be arrested and prosecuted at a Tribunal in the Hague, but somehow not advocating for murder = pro genocide to the asshats on lemmy.
You do realise that under international law Palestinians have right to defend themselves and kill members of the occupying force, right?
So, first off, there’s no such thing as “International Law”. It’s a suggestion at best.
https://archive.globalpolicy.org/international-justice/general-articles-on-international-justice/52279-international-law-isnt-real.html
Second, our community policies are exactly that, OUR COMMUNITY POLICIES. It has fuck all to do with International relations.
Real people, in the real world, can and do do what they want. When they cross the border into our communities, they are bound by OUR rules.
As I told the other user in the thread with the removed comments - Don’t like the rules?
Thanks for giving me the feed for my community
I mean, everyone should read up on how “International Law” is an absolute failure.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/amnesty-international-sounds-alarm-international-law-flagrant-rule-breaking-governments-corporate-actors/
If there’s no enforcement, there is no law. That’s how we got a 2nd fucking Trump term.
Keep digging 🤣
Sure, you want more links about how you have no idea what you’re saying?
I can literally do this all day:
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/law/65614/does-international-law-exist-david-allen-green-israel-russia
Again, the problem is enforcement. You can say “x is illegal”, but unless there’s an agency willing to actually enforce that law, it means exactly fuck all.
You probably aren’t old enough to remember when George W. Bush was saying the same things about Iraq that people are now saying about Iran, but the one that stuck out to me was that we had to invade Iraq because they were in violation of 16 UN resolutions.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/09/text/20020912.html
Folks like me were pointing out we don’t actually give two shits about UN resolutions because, at the time, Israel was in violation of over EIGHTY of them and we weren’t making noises about invading THEM. It would have been over 100 except the US held veto power on resolutions.
So, again, there is no such thing as “international law” as there’s no international body capable of or willing to enforce it.
So wait, laws should be enforced? Like with violence?
Because if laws are necessary and what society is made of, as you say elsewhere, and laws do not exist wuthout violent enforcement
You are advocating for violence, sir!
Carry on 🤣🤣🤣
So the many users that have complaints about your moderation are asshats, you are right and everyone else is wrong. Gotcha. You really shouldn’t be modding on Lemmy if that’s your outlook. Mods who take feedback onboard in a constructive way are actually well liked by the communities they moderate. Maybe you should give it a try sometime?
PTB yet again, unfortunately.
The folks here on Lemmy aren’t advocating for violence. They (and all of us) are suffering the effects of America’s violence on the world and are simply trying to resist that violence. The US has had an official policy of destabilising the Middle East for decades, as did the British before them. Countless lives have been lost due to that policy. Most recently the US has aided and abetted the genocide in Gaza with vast quantities of weapons shipments. And the US participated in the bombing of Iran based on nothing but vibes. The US is unarguably at this point a rogue state that has now not only turned on its allies, but also turned on its own citizens. If you aren’t at least thinking about violently resisting what the US government is up to at this stage, then I don’t know what’s wrong with you. I guess it’s lucky you live in a privileged white neighbourhood where non-whites were excluded, so all those ICE deportations and protests hopefully won’t inconvenience you too much this time around, like the BLM protests did. I’d hate for you to stop caring about the Palestinians because you got held up in traffic.
So many people in a community devoted to bitching about moderation complain about me. Consider the audience.
They don’t hate me personally, they hate being moderated. And when you look at their modlogs, you see why. These aren’t innocent little snowflakes.
Yourself included:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=268381
(I forgive the .ml ban, EVERYONE gets banned by .ml. It’s a lemmy rite of passage!)
Nope. We hate moderators making up bullshit to silence people they want silenced. We hate capricious moderators who can’t follow their own rules.
My “favorite” example is the removal of a comment regarding the Canadian government structure even though every Canadian in the thread said the removed comment was correct
The rules are right there in the sidebar, if you don’t like it, don’t participate. It’s super easy.
No, I believe that’s quite personal by now for a number of users. You are a perfect example of bad moderation, poor decision making process, illogical arguments and prejudice.
The modlogs disagree.
The modlogs where you banned @[email protected] for proving you wrong with citations from sources you considered equal?
Or the modlogs where you removed comments of people calling out the mod actions?
Or the modlogs where people had the right idea about not enjoying genocide being removed because only robots care about the deaths of people?
It’s interesting that the comment he got super butthurt about does not appear in the modlog. I wonder how that happened.
EDIT: I see what happened. I had the community that he removed it from blocked. Anyone know how to link to a particular comment in the modlog?
Ensign_Crab was banned for repeated trolling, sealioning, and slapfighting with many users across both [email protected] and [email protected]
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=536057
Again, nothing of value was lost.
Trolling meaning they proved you wrong and stood ground against whitewashing genocide.
Quite the opposite. The mod log shows you are one of the most ignorant, arrogant and misinformed mods I have ever seen (from the active ones in big instances anyway).
You have number of people telling you that and instead of admitting mistakes and apologising you are doubling down.
Happy cake day!
Funny how other mods disagree and keep inviting me to moderate their groups. I actually turned down being a mod for News pretty recently, but they insisted they wanted me. I did not want the appearance of a “Power Mod”. Fortunately the communities I care most about are tiny.
When I first joined lemmy, I was invited to mod Politics and World. I didn’t even have a lemmy.world account at the time, I was like “Are you sure? Seems weird to moderate lemmy.world with a lemmy.one account”.
But I’ll make you a deal… Go through the modlog and find a moderation of mine you disagree with. Make your case. If you can argue it successfully, I’ll reverse it.
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Yes, it’s everyone ELSE who is wrong and you’re just a wittle victim who is power tripping bc you have no hobbies /cry
What are we supposed to look at?
Just the usual bans. All commonplace for participants here.
Do you really intend to stick to this line? Do you ever intend to address the fact that it has been very clearly pointed out that the comment that got the other user, @[email protected], banned was not a call to violence? Or will you keep deflecting and ignoring that part in order to maintain the facade?
It very clearly was a call to violence in a CHAIN of removed comments. You’re attempting to take it out of that context and claiming “Well, they didn’t do nuffin”.
Fuck that argument. I’m not going to be trapped in the by degrees nonsense like that. They know what they were arguing and you’re being disingenuous if you try to say otherwise.
Here’s the full context for anyone dumb enough to buy your bullshit framing, read the ALL CAPS FROM THEIR OWN COMMENT.
First in the chain:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=562528
Removed Comment Death, death to the IDF!! by BroBot9000
reason: Call for death
Next:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=73704
Removed Comment I’m advocating for the right of the Palestians to fight for their freedom. Do you deny that right? And for good measure, if I advocate for Ukrainians to fight for their freedom, VIOLENTLY, WITH GUNS, AND WITH KILLING OFF THE INVADERS TO THEIR HOMELAND, am I also breaking the TOS? If I say that my god damn ancestors DID THE RIGHT THING and KILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND GUNS the Italian fascists that invaded Greece in 1940, does THAT break the TOS? by [email protected]
reason: Advocating violence
Removed and warned a second time, against the rules of the community.
User persists a THIRD time earning the ban:
Removed Comment Death to Israeli apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the Israeli Apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the occupation, the disposession and the genocide of Palestinians. Death to the structures that maim the humanity of both the colonizers and the colonized. Long live all the people who live in Palestine from the river to the sea. Long live the children, the life, all children, all life, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and other. Palestinian, Druze, Bedouin, Samaritan, Mizrahi, Ashkenaz, Sephardic, and other. “The padrone is dead. But Alfredo Berlingheri is alive and we mustn’t kill him. […] Because he is living proof that the padrone is dead.” by [email protected]
reason: Repeated calls for violence
Not even a permanent ban, like yours, a 3 day ban for being repeatedly stupid.
But I’m sure when it expires they’ll be totally rational, right? Um, right?
Based on my mod experience, that never happens, but outside trolls and spammers we give everyone a chance to learn from their mistakes.
My expectation is I’ll have to permaban them before the month is over, but we’ll see.
Explain my permaban then, when everything I posted was fucking correctly and reputably sourced and has nearly all literally come to pass… go on
Heres the OG text of what got me banned permanently in a comment for anyone curious, I posted about this in December. BTW gold has gone up over 40% since then https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373
That’s not what got you banned, you got banned for tinfoil hat conspiracy theory:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=6925869
Banned LustyArgonian from the community politics
reason: Repeated misinformation
mod
Removed Comment Bruh the voting machines indeed are connected to the internet. I have given you multiple official sources for this. It’s not a tinfoil hat if it’s real. Wow, I can’t believe how much people like you support fascism with your deliberate ignorance. by LustyArgonian
reason: Repeated misinfotmation
Yeah I linked that itt and clearly stated that. I want my comments reinstated still. And it wasnt a conspiracy, I literally cited a documentary with John McCain and Hillary Clinton, NBC, journalists, the treasury department, NPR, etc. None of it is a “tinfoil hat conspiracy theory” - or is Clinton a conspiracy theorist?
I’m only responding here because you’re saying “they know what they were arguing and you’re being disingenuous if you try to say otherwise” and because you’re making a whole bunch of assumptions about my intent and my …rationality. Basically, I’m only responding because you’re displaying a big degree of bad faith towards me, to the point where you’re not understanding what I’m actually saying, especially in the third comment that got me the ban.
The comment with the all caps, mentioning Greece and Ukraine, fine, sure. I tested the line, asking specifically about the TOS and got burned. That’s your line. I still think it’s a silly line, but that’s your line. Fine.
But the comment you banned me for is where I think you completely misunderstood me. Here’s the comment:
I thought the last line, the reference to the padrone would be making it crystal clear, but it didn’t. It’s from the movie 1900 and I guess my mistake was believing that this is a classic that everyone has seen. My bad. Here is what goes on: after the revolution, the peasants want to kill the Alfredo character (DeNiro), who is the padrone, the boss. But Depardieu’s character, Olmo, makes the case that they should in fact not kill Alfredo, because his role as padrone is dead and Alfredo, no longer being the padrone is just a regular person now. The padrone is dead, Alfredo lives. Imagine if the Jacobins hadn’t guillotined Louis-XV, the line would be “the king is dead, Louis is alive and we mustn’t kill him, because his continued existence is living proof that the institution of the monarchy is dead: he is now just a dude like the rest of us”.
My argument here is that the institution of Israeli apartheid must die, to free the Israelis themselves from the shackles of being “the padrone”. That’s why I write underneath long live all life, and list explicitly Judaism among the religions and the various Jewish nationalities (Mizrahi, Ashkenaz, Sephardi). They are Alfredo. May they live! And may their continued existence be statement to the death of the “padrone” role, that Israeli nationalism has been ascribing to them.
When I say “death to israeli apartheid” and “death to the institutions and structures that uphold it with all its horrible outcomes” I am not advocating violence against people, I am advocating the destruction of horrific systems and institutions. I am saying the equivalent of “death to slavery”, “death to patriarchy”, “death to capitalism”. And I’m adding explicitly in the people that will benefit from the death of these horrific systems and institutions precisely the groups of people that are currently benefiting from them. I’m not saying “death to the whites”, I am saying “Death to slavery and its institutions so that whites don’t have to be slavers”.
If, despite what I think, you understood all of that and still somehow construed my writing as “repeated calls to violence”, I don’t know what else to say.
Edit: in fact I think you’re also misrepresenting the context of my 1900 comment. It was not a follow up on the Greece/Ukraine comment. Instead, I was responding at a different branch of the thread, below a comment where someone was making the argument that “death to Apple” is not a threat of violence against the Apple CEO and employees. It was already in the context of discussing “death of institutions” vs of people.
@[email protected] you’re answering other things up and down the thread, but I haven’t heard from you. After this explanation do you still maintain that this post, that was apparently the straw that broke the camel’s back and got me banned, was “advocating violence”?
Sorry, I’m being deluged with replies and I’m honestly TRYING to get to everyone.
You landed a temp ban (only 1 day left!) for repeatedly advocating violence. You were warned, and came back again.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=73704
First comment removed:
mod
Removed Comment I’m advocating for the right of the Palestians to fight for their freedom. Do you deny that right? And for good measure, if I advocate for Ukrainians to fight for their freedom, VIOLENTLY, WITH GUNS, AND WITH KILLING OFF THE INVADERS TO THEIR HOMELAND, am I also breaking the TOS? If I say that my god damn ancestors DID THE RIGHT THING and KILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND GUNS the Italian fascists that invaded Greece in 1940, does THAT break the TOS? by [email protected]
reason: Advocating violence.
You were warned and came back again:
Removed Comment Death to Israeli apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the Israeli Apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the occupation, the disposession and the genocide of Palestinians. Death to the structures that maim the humanity of both the colonizers and the colonized. Long live all the people who live in Palestine from the river to the sea. Long live the children, the life, all children, all life, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and other. Palestinian, Druze, Bedouin, Samaritan, Mizrahi, Ashkenaz, Sephardic, and other. “The padrone is dead. But Alfredo Berlingheri is alive and we mustn’t kill him. […] Because he is living proof that the padrone is dead.” by [email protected]
reason: Repeated calls for violence
You called for death FOUR TIMES after being told not to advocate for violence. So, yeah, 3 day ban.
Put on your big boy pants and deal with it.
I like how you quote the thing that proves you wrong and say “hey, this proves me right.”
Rule 6: Do not advocate violence.
Removed comment #1:
“I advocate for Ukrainians to fight for their freedom, VIOLENTLY, WITH GUNS”
“DID THE RIGHT THING and KILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND GUNS”
bzzt - Removed.
Removed comment #2, following being warned, which earned the temp ban:
"Death to…
Death to…
Death to…
Death to… "
What part of no advocating violence is fucking unclear to you assholes? No, we aren’t going to let users call for Death.
Lol, zero engagement with my actual argument. Ok buddy, hope you get a breather.
Your argument is irrelevant. You called for death in two separate comments. It’s right there in black and white. You can’t deny it, it’s preserved in the modlog.
1 day left on the temp ban. Be better when you come back.
This mod is abusive and I asked 9 months ago for him to be fired due to sexism and supporting a sexist commenter
LW admins love him to much to ever do that
(Because they are all abusive shitheads)
They love Jordan does their job for them.
fwiw, I’ve never even heard of the movie 1900 before, let alone seen it. I think I’ve only seen 1 Depardieu movie…maybe 1.5 (not sure if he has a cameo/archive appearance in the 2nd film of the pair): Jean de Florette.
But anyway, yeah I think your edit here really hits the mark. The comment is just so clearly not a call for violence. Both the context in which it was made and the content of it make that very clear.
What do you mean not everyone knows the filmography of Bernardo Bertolucci?! /s Yea, my bad. It’s a great movie, you should watch it.
So, because an earlier comment was interpreted as inciting violence, a user is no longer allowed to amend their point to more narrowly criticise the institutions that are causing genocide? That’s some serious bullshit you’re pulling there. If that’s the level of logic you’re using, I have little doubt you’ll find some justification for “I’ll have to permaban them before the month is over” to end up being true, that a mod attempting to actually apply rules with a modicum of fairness or common sense would not.
It’s Palestinians fundamental right to armed resistance and it is people right to express it . Keep doing excuses. Netanyahu and rest of likud will never be arrested so let Palestinians use their right to kill the invader and don’t tell us not to express that fundamental right
They are welcome to, but nobody is allowed to call for violence in our communites. It’s right there in the rules.
Their right to revolution doesn’t supercede our right to run our communities according to our rules.
Communities dont belong to you or any authoritarian, communities belong to the people who make up the community itself, and that’s pretty obvious. The reason you are so hated is bc YOU think you’re doing a worthwhile role “for the community,” when youre actually hurting the community and gaslighting them when they tell you that. Having mod privileges and server privileges doesnt make you more of the community than anyone else, and abusing that power is why you’re hated (like all authoritarians). And you act like you have a shriveled up tiny dried earthworm dick
I’m sorry, but you’re absolutely wrong in that.
Communities get created by individuals and they do, in fact own them. They are moderated in accordance with the rules outlined in the sidebar.
If you don’t like those rules, feel free to create your own community, with hookers and blackjack.
That’s actually how [email protected] was created. The mod there reached out and asked “Hey, since [email protected] doesn’t allow self posts and videos, would you mind if I created a community that does?”
I was like “Dude, you don’t need MY permission! Go for it!” When they set it up, I even linked to it as a partner community from the politics sidebar.
I really like being able to direct people to the correct community when I have to remove a post.
Wrong
A group of people. That you are ONE of, who has powers to police the community per agreed upon rules, and to jot abuse those powers. You abuse your powers, according to the community en masse.
I have no problem with the rules, don’t strawman. I ahbe a problem with your enforcement of tbe rules, which is arbitrary and often sexist, and often not based on any stated rule at all.
That this is your response to being called a shitty abusive mod is telling. Way to be so bad at your job, a shit ton of people hate the way you do it. Wow, good job buddy
The community doesn’t get to set the norms on lemmy. That’s done first by the instance admins, then by the creator of the community, then by the moderators of the community.
If you aren’t one of the above, you don’t get a say in how that community is run. You are welcome to participate, within the established guidelines, or not.
If you can’t, or won’t abide by the rules of a given community:
I did abide by the stated rules of the community. I had comments deleted and was permabanned anyway. With no explanation on which specific thing was wrong. As you’ve been told ad nauseum, you little weaselly worm.
We literally know you are abusing your powers by refusing to listen to members of the community, that is entirely the criticism here. Learn to read, kiddo. We do get a “say,” and we say you’re shit.
Don’t complain about the backslash then for your stupid rules. Nobody care about your dumb excuses. Death to the idf whatever you like it or not
Oh, how could I forget, you’re just “following orders”. What a good little collaborator you are.
You’re actions, however minor in the global scale they are, are absofuckinglutely defending genocide, you slimy little prick.
Namecalling isn’t the way to go about this. I get it, you’re passionate. I hate .world too. But calm down with the name calling; it dilutes your argument.
Name calling? His last name means “dick” in Hindi. Prick is literally his last name.
Oh, and as a side little note, I’ll insult zionists till the day I die, and I don’t give a flying fuck about that liberal “civility” bullshit, nor do I care if you think me being mean hurts my argument, you knob. The only good zionist is one in a cell phone video with a red triangle above their head.
Hey, you do you, boo. But I can’t take you seriously when you talk like that. It actually doesn’t matter if I take you seriously or not tho, so keep on keepin’ on.
So who is it okay to call for violence against, and eho is it not? You’d get less hate if you clarified.
For this person (who ironically mods [email protected]), I think the answer is black & white; it’s childishly simple. Violence is strictly reserved for the state, because the state has a monopoly on violence.
Okay, so ‘i am a cop and i swear to kill you’ or ‘i hope the police murder you’ or ‘i, police commisioner in your town, will not rest until you and your family are dead’ are fine
But ‘i hope that cop stubs its toe’ or ‘if a cop shoots me, im shooting back, besides, how would i even know?’ Would be bannable?
Lol you’re understanding radicalism vs status quo now babaay
Well, does that factor into the ‘is violence allowed’ rule?
https://youtu.be/9a7VE8ofqbM
Highly relevant Dimension20 reference
Yt, cant click
Well, you can’t wish for violence, but the state can, and it can carry out the violence. You can only tut-tut about state violence and vote blue no matter who (unless they’re a socialist like Zohran Mamdani).
The Police Problem has a similar rule:
“③ Saying
copsANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They’re about killing people; we’re not.”I HAVE had rule 3 violations, rare but they have happened. Actually, it’s super rare I have to moderate anything there, people are super chill.
I actually used to have more removals based on rule 2, but that evened out:
“② If you’re here to support the police, you’re trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.”
I have no reason to believe you’d be inconsistent.
There’s no reason to be consistent when different communities have different rules.
People can come into News, Politics, or World and suck police cock all day every day if that’s what they want to do, it’s not removable there.
I mean, it’s Lemmy, they DON’T, but they could.
It IS removable in the Police Problem.
When I look at the list of current reported posts and comments, the first thing I look at is “Wait, which community again?” What’s removable in one isn’t necessarily removable in another.
In fact, the mods were just having a sidebar about gaming. A story from April got posted up and folks were wondering if it’s removable.
Nope, gaming doesn’t have a “last 30 days” requirement the way World and News have.
But me talking about FEMINISM is a removable offense??? According to you??? And it’s also funny to you to remove it??? Just want clarity - cop propaganda is fine, but feminism isn’t?
Eta: coward still hasn’t reponded, probably because he’s a misogynist. Who again, should not be in charge of a POLITICS lemmy
That’s not what got you banned, you got banned for tinfoil hat conspiracy theory:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=6925869
Banned LustyArgonian from the community politics
reason: Repeated misinformation
mod
Removed Comment Bruh the voting machines indeed are connected to the internet. I have given you multiple official sources for this. It’s not a tinfoil hat if it’s real. Wow, I can’t believe how much people like you support fascism with your deliberate ignorance. by LustyArgonian
reason: Repeated misinfotmation
I was speaking to rule 3, which is consistent. The irony I alluded to is that ACAB is usually associated with people who think that, in some cases, it is legitimate to use violence against the state, whom the police serve.
Of course it’s consistent. If someone argues for murdering someone, and I see it, either organically or because it got reported, I have and will remove that comment.
The only inconsistency is in what I can personally see. I’m not omniscient, which is why the report functionality is so important.
Are there calls to violence that don’t get removed? Of course there are, we can’t be everywhere and if nobody reports them, there’s a fair chance we won’t see them.
What I’ll never do is the bullshit reddit does where they lock a thread because it gets too many reports. That’s just fucking moderation cowardice. I’d rather individually remove 100 infringing comments than lock the whole thread.
It’s never OK to call for violence, not in our Lemmy.
If there was an armed thug murdering defenseless children on a street, and there was someone calling to kill the thug to stop children being murdered, would you ban the person calling to defend the children?
See the Francine Hughes case re: self defense and how it is completely legally defensible to light your abusive husband on fire while he sleeps, per US law. Self defense isn’t generally considered violence and isn’t generally labeled as violence either.
So why can we only talk about the violence committed by corporations and billionaires, and not talk about self defense?
Ofc, there are many ways to resist nonviolently, here is a free book about it: https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9781501756061/pranksters-vs-autocrats/#bookTabs=1
You, sir, need to separate real life from the online world.
Nobody is saying not to intervene in real life actions happening before you. But if you want to be the “Internet Tough Guy”, yes, that bullshit will get removed.
Answer the fucking question.
If you advocate for violence in our communities, your comment will be removed. Full stop. I don’t see how I can make it clearer. Do you need single syllable words?
Answer the fucking question. Simple yes or no will suffice.
Not in our lemmy lol. Lemmy as a aplatform do not belong to anybody
It doesn’t. But lemmy.world does, and the individual communities on it also do.
Ask the folks on lemm.ee how not belonging to anybody worked out. lemmy.one is following soon.
Each community has their own rules, same as each instance does.
Except when violence is the default, against someone you dont consider a person.
Then you can call for it to continue, and only asking for it to stop is violent.