• AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
    281·
    2 days ago

    I really liked lemm.ee because it didn’t defederate from the radical socialist and communist spectrum of political speech.

    But the other issue with a bigger instance like lemm.ee going down is that as long as communities can’t be moved (including users and content) to other instances, the lemmy project will fail. Because then only centralization in a few big instances is viable, and those big instances are going to become valuable and sold to plutocrats.

    • TWeaK@feddit.ukEnglish
      6·
      1 day ago

      To be fair, lemm.ee didn’t really act as host to any major communities to begin with. So communities aren’t really the loss here, and it could be that having at least a few big active communities on an instance is a key part of maintaining its long term viability.

      Also, all the text posts and comments from lemm.ee will still remain on other instances. I’m sure the instance could also back up content, if the specific admin so desired to re-host.

      • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they’ll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn’t a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.

        I’m just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.

        • TWeaK@feddit.ukEnglish
          1·
          15 hours ago

          For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can’t easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it’s just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).

          Maybe there’s some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.

          Pretty sure that was on the bug list 2 years ago.

    • RabbleRebel@lemmy.wtfEnglish
      66·
      2 days ago

      I hope you’re not calling tankies radical socialists or communists. Because .ml et al are authoritarian instances, not lefty.

      • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
        115·
        1 day ago

        I interact regularly with “those ml” instances and don’t meet any (or not many) of people like you describe. I do believe it’s mostly rumors, propaganda, cherry picking and liberal prejudice against socialists.

        Do you still know what is real? The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won’t.

        In case you’re curious, I also believe “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire. I’m a realist, pacifist and materialist, we already know what the regime change sought by the US will do to the people in “shithole” countries.

        • Jax@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          16·
          1 day ago

          The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won’t.

          I also believe “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire.

          This is why I downvoted you.

          Edit: looks like I pissed off the tankies. You people are transparent, FYI.

      • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        42·
        1 day ago

        so interesting how hundreds of millions of leftists in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and other parts of the world (many of whom actually live in countries that had real, successful revolutions) are all apparently a bunch of idiots who don’t realize they’re being fooled, but the Westerners who have never had a successful socialist movement are the ones who truly understand the core of class struggle (and at the center of it all is “authoritarianism,” a very real thing that definitely doesn’t just describe the behavior of all states)

  • ghosthacked@lemmy.wtfEnglish
    13·
    1 day ago

    I’m an .ee refugee. I just hope this stuff doesn’t become the norm where instances get shut down

    • irelephant [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      3·
      1 day ago

      End of june, lemm.ee is shutting down.

      don’t worry though, most communities are available on other instances.

      Just make a new account on lemmy.zip, export your settings/subscriptions from lemm.ee and import them on .zip.

    • Rose56@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      1 day ago

      Out of loop? We had posts and posts about lemm.ee going down, how did you missed it?
      Anyway, end of June lemm.ee is going down, which means it won’t be accessible! If you want to access lemmy after that, you have to find a new instance. Have a look here to search for a new instance.

      Don’t forget to export your profile settings from settings > Import/Export Settings > export.

      • Razzazzika@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        Been busy with moving and stuff. This is the first I saw anything. Thanks for the info.

      • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        I saw that, which is why I allowed myself to gas it up here.

        Again, just to be clear, no disrespect meant to lemm.ee refugees or the former admin, I just wanted to rep my instance to any potential former lemm.ee users because I like it here !

    • TWeaK@feddit.ukEnglish
      8·
      2 days ago

      The lemm.ee admin is a shit hot developer though, his instance was generally more robust than all the others, and he helped other instances when they had various problems. It’s a shame he wasn’t the lead lemmy developer, although I’m sure he doesn’t have the time for such a big undertaking.

  • glaber@lemm.eeEnglish
    811·
    3 days ago

    Wherever you guys migrate, please stop concentrating the userbase around lemmy.world, that’s exactly what we’re trying to avoid with Lemmy to begin with. The best thing you can do is go to https://join-lemmy.org/ and choose a server that’s not in the top 10 or so. This will also help avoid things like the admins/mods burning out

    • FlihpFlorp@lemm.eeEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      Yeah I was gonna try out piefed and mbin but if those don’t work out for me any lemmy instance suggestions? J was thinking lemmy.zip or any instance who only defederates with spam/illegal stuff

    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      52·
      2 days ago

      .wolrd is the only instance I have been able to stay on so far.

      Every smaller one I try bans me for minor disagreements or wrongthink. They all feel like exclusive clubs that they don’t really want people to join, but will then whine about low user numbers.

      The larger spaces have admins that are more often held accountable and put on blast, it’s just the nature of these kinds of spaces.

    • TheObviousSolution@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      There are some sites that show what instances are de-federated from that. People can use that as a guide as well, if there are instances they don’t really want feeds from due to their underlying circumstances. They should also check the admins and modlog so they don’t run into surprises later down the line.

  • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
    3·
    1 day ago

    NOoooooooo :(

    lemm.ee has been hands down my favourite instance, it’s genuinely depressing that it’s going.

  • Gort@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    11·
    2 days ago

    It was great while it lasted, and I thank those that ran it. A breath of fresh air after initially being on an instance that decided to nanny its users by defederating from instances for no good reasons.

    I have a backup account on sdf.org, so I’m now using that as my main instance. Thanks to those who run it.

  • Detun3d@lemm.eeEnglish
    351·
    2 days ago

    Thank you, not just for showing respect and appreciation to the people behind Lemm.ee but because these posts are a magnet for the kind of trolls everyone should block before migrating elsewhere. 👌

  • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
    451·
    3 days ago

    I’ll be honest i don’t get what people differentiate so much about instances. most of the time i don’t even notice what instance people I’m talking to are from, what instance the community in browsing is from, what instance the meme I’m viewing is from… is it about the software you’re using that you’re so aware of these things?

    • megane-kun@lemmy.zipEnglish
      22·
      2 days ago

      To me, it’s mostly how an instance is ran. How it makes its decisions: defederating or not, and with whom, how they handle complaints, how they handle bans, etc. makes a difference in both the communities it hosts and its members.

      There’s also the matter of user culture. Some instances, like Beehaw, Lemmygrad, and Hexbear are known for a certain user culture. Some users might steer clear away from certain instances because of that perceived user culture.

      And then there’s the issue of defederation stance. It might not be readily apparent, or affect your user experience in a big way, but for some users, it’s a factor. This is also where lemm.ee made its mark. It basically used defederation as a last resort, and some users were drawn to that.

      • LucidNightmare@lemm.eeEnglish
        9·
        2 days ago

        That’s why I was here. I’ve already made a few more accounts just to have backups in case this happens again, but I really really enjoyed how I could see most of the Fediverse, and could block with my own settings if I didn’t like the way another instance was ran. I will miss it. :'-]

        • AreaSIX @lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          I’m in the same boat. I do not like defederation. So where do we go? Any other instance with the same openness? I don’t know details about instances, but I know I’d like to avoid .world though.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      Community cultures, mostly, as trimmed and pruned by admins. Most instances I don’t notice massive differences in, with a few exceptions.

    • Lumun@lemmy.zipEnglish
      8·
      3 days ago

      If your display settings don’t show the full username, there’s no way to tell really. Voyager and Alexandrite show then by default. I think people just like to root for teams inherently and the interinstance drama is kind of fun. If you’re on Lemmy a lot you start to recognize people and their main instance, there really aren’t that many of us.

        • Honytawk@feddit.nlEnglish
          33·
          2 days ago

          You mean the biggest instance that is still federated with close to everyone?

          There is a reason for that you know.

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
            23·
            2 days ago

            Yeah, because they’re the one that tries the most to be exactly like Reddit, so all the Redditors end up there.

    • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
      45·
      2 days ago

      unless its coming from .ml, hexbear or lemmygrad. the comments cant get annoying.

      • Honytawk@feddit.nlEnglish
        55·
        2 days ago

        With .ml you can sometimes still have a good discussion. Maybe because the community is so big. And not everyone who joins knows ml stands for Marxist-Leninist.

        But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.

        • TWeaK@feddit.ukEnglish
          11·
          1 day ago

          But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.

          I always saw those two as something like far left indoctrination camps where people learn and practice astroturfing techniques.