First, mind the community. Can’t help that it ended up in /all. Second, would that point have gotten across to you without the post? So it wasn’t really pointless.
Maybe it’s the over-the-top defensiveness that is the problem, rather than a post in an anarchist community presenting a point of view that made some people react in that way.
I was being funny when I said they made a good point, I already knew that anarchist infighting over whether to vote is pointless and that certain anarchists claiming their political disengagement as representative of anarchism is toxic.
Anarchists don’t care if you vote or not. The problem starts when electoralism binds resources, e.g. when politically motivated people help out an electoral campaign by canvasing.
anarchists claiming their political disengagement
Equating political engagement with electoralism is the actual toxic thing.
Me representing my own anarchist views isn’t strawmanning, even if they’re different than yours. And I will repeat myself: claiming your views as the only legitimate form of anarchism is a toxic form of infighting.
Of course not all anarchists vote, but those of us who are most committed to doing all we can, care about voting. We recognise that it’s incredibly easy compared to arrestable actions, so it has a very good effort to effect efficiency. Those of us who believe in doing everything in our power are inclined to treat people who don’t bother voting with suspicion, since it’s so easy and it could have prevented the impending trans genocide if enough people had done it.
When someone tells me they’re only motivated by things getting better; by hope, what I learn is that they have not in their life needed to learn fear. Things have not gotten so bad that they have learned to fear being attacked. They are detached enough from consequences that they think nothing getting better is the worst that could possibly happen to them. It’s a privilege I envy.
What part of “the right coming after them anyways” sounds like things getting better to you??? Get the fuck off your self righteous high horse, being ruled by fear to the point of paralysis is not a fucking virtue.
By assuring the Harris campaign that you would vote for her no matter what, her campaign decided to ignore the uncommitted movement. You and the other blue-no-matter-whos made it impossible for us to pressure her to distance herself from Biden’s genocide.
You are the reason Harris continued to support Biden’s unpopular genocide, and the reason she lost. If people like you had helped us she would have campaigned differently, and won.
You don’t get to wash your hands of that. You undermined the only power we have as voters to pressure candidates.
And you always will. You’ll do it next time when they nominate Liz Cheney to run against Trump’s third term.
You’re just flat out wrong. That jackass didn’t admit, he fucking bragged, that that non-citizen cracked the election for him durng “the” inauguration speech at ~53min in.
First, mind the community. Can’t help that it ended up in /all. Second, would that point have gotten across to you without the post? So it wasn’t really pointless.
Maybe it’s the over-the-top defensiveness that is the problem, rather than a post in an anarchist community presenting a point of view that made some people react in that way.
I was being funny when I said they made a good point, I already knew that anarchist infighting over whether to vote is pointless and that certain anarchists claiming their political disengagement as representative of anarchism is toxic.
You’re nothing bqt strawmanning anarchists.
Anarchists don’t care if you vote or not. The problem starts when electoralism binds resources, e.g. when politically motivated people help out an electoral campaign by canvasing.
Equating political engagement with electoralism is the actual toxic thing.
Me representing my own anarchist views isn’t strawmanning, even if they’re different than yours. And I will repeat myself: claiming your views as the only legitimate form of anarchism is a toxic form of infighting.
The strawman was that anarchists supposedly care if you vote or not.
Of course not all anarchists vote, but those of us who are most committed to doing all we can, care about voting. We recognise that it’s incredibly easy compared to arrestable actions, so it has a very good effort to effect efficiency. Those of us who believe in doing everything in our power are inclined to treat people who don’t bother voting with suspicion, since it’s so easy and it could have prevented the impending trans genocide if enough people had done it.
Oh yeah, Kamala “follow the law” Harris was going to do fuckall for trans people when the right came after them anyways
When someone tells me they’re only motivated by things getting better; by hope, what I learn is that they have not in their life needed to learn fear. Things have not gotten so bad that they have learned to fear being attacked. They are detached enough from consequences that they think nothing getting better is the worst that could possibly happen to them. It’s a privilege I envy.
What part of “the right coming after them anyways” sounds like things getting better to you??? Get the fuck off your self righteous high horse, being ruled by fear to the point of paralysis is not a fucking virtue.
Do you think you’re innocent?
No, I’m really dirty.
Cute.
By assuring the Harris campaign that you would vote for her no matter what, her campaign decided to ignore the uncommitted movement. You and the other blue-no-matter-whos made it impossible for us to pressure her to distance herself from Biden’s genocide.
You are the reason Harris continued to support Biden’s unpopular genocide, and the reason she lost. If people like you had helped us she would have campaigned differently, and won.
You don’t get to wash your hands of that. You undermined the only power we have as voters to pressure candidates.
And you always will. You’ll do it next time when they nominate Liz Cheney to run against Trump’s third term.
Stop taking away our power to pressure Democrats.
You’re just flat out wrong. That jackass didn’t admit, he fucking bragged, that that non-citizen cracked the election for him durng “the” inauguration speech at ~53min in.
So it don’t matter who anyone “voted” for.