Having to explain how you ended up in a death camp in El Salvador when you came to visit legally as a tourist.
Dude. We fear this as pasty-white Canadians. I cannot imagine what the fear should be like with less Republican-esque looks.
Trying to create an answer that is more universal than our current political situation.
It’s too damn big. There isn’t any such thing as visiting the USA. You can see a little tiny bit, and what you choose will color your viewpoint.
It’s 50+ countries in a trenchcoat. Pan-Americanism, in the US context, is laughable at best and absolutely a shambling nightmare at worst. There’s several reasons why our government sucks. But the sheer size of this fucking empire is the top of the list.
Before the end of the century, it’s going to Balkanize hard.
*Gestures broadly*
Everything happening right now.
The USA.
Vaguely gestures at everything.
You need me to pick just one?
yeah. 2025 is just not the best timing for that activity.
It’s risky if you’re any of the following:
- Black/brown, or from a non-white country
- Queer (ESPECIALLY if you’re trans/NB, I left because it got that bad)
- A woman
- Disabled
- Have made left-leaning posts on social media
Even if you’re none of those, there’s always the chance that your next trip to the mall or store will become the next major event in your life. There’s also the slim chance that you might get an all-expenses paid trip to El Salvador. Don’t do it, it’s not worth it.
Basically if you’re anyone except a white cishet man, then don’t go there. Even then, you probably don’t wanna go there.
cuz like 99% of what you spend will go to some rich fuk
You could get put in jail for no reason and risk being sent to a concentration camp.
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Spending your vacation money in the US is sending some of that money to Donald Dump and friends.
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Seeing how tourists have actually been detained by ICE, it’s not even a hypothetical, I’d say the chances of it happening to you are at the very least nontrivial. Given the choice of countries for my vacation, I choose the one where the chances of that are, in fact, trivial.
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To not support USA financially
Being detained upon arrival and immediately being sent back (if you’re lucky) is just the start.
- Gun violence
- Border control and immigration
- Unaffordable healthcare
interestingly, (from the countries I lived in), you get travel insurance for practically nothing. then if you have an accident or need healthcare while travelling you get it all paid, no deductibles or anything.
so foreign tourists in the US actually have affordable healthcare.
Not sure what the fear with healthcare stuff is. If you need medical assistance, the hospital will treat you. 6-12 months later you might get a bill.
Can’t you just laugh about it and throw it away like most ppl here?
can you really do that and suffer no consequences ?
Yes. There’s a chance you have to deal with collections after a while. Most the time the debt just gets written off tho.
If it does end up in collections, you can pay it for a bargain discount (and it’s removed from credit report). Or just wait it out and let it drop off in 7 years.
If you’re needing a loan sometime in the next 7 years, it’s a risk. But there’s certainly no criminal consequences, and they’re not coming after your wages over it.
If you aren’t from the USA, most of that doesn’t apply. They’re not coming after you in another country over medical debt, and they won’t prevent travel into or out of the country. It’s simply not a big deal here.
oh. but that changes everything…
Dude just open a newspaper it’s plainly obvious why not.
It’s dangerous. People are a 35 times more likely to be killed by guns than my country.
What that data fails to properly explain is that outside of a few counties you are basically never going to see a gun homicide in the US. The city I live in has some of the highest gun crime in the country, but it is almost exclusively in a few small areas that tourists would never really go anywhere near.
Of our yearly gun homicides ~82% of it is African Americans killing other African Americans. Often in gang related disputes in very specific areas in a couple of states.
Depending on where someone is visiting they are likely much safer here than in many other countries on average.
Statistics are a wonderful thing, but it’s important to fully understand the data rather than just applying that average to the entire united states without any nuance.
Mississippi had a gun death rate of 29.6 per 100k in 2022.
Rhode Island had a a gun death rate of 3.1 per 100k in 2022.
Both those numbers include suicide by gun and suicide has outpaced homicide for at least the last 40 years.
Another thing to note is that the USA over all has lower gun homicide rates today than back in 1970s.
For comparison Jamaica had 44.7 gun death per 100k in 2022.
The Bahamas had 28.5 per 100k in 2022.
Plenty of people still feel comfortable traveling to those places year round.
The fact you had to name Jamaica and Bahamas, both incredibly poor developing nations as comparison to get remotely close to our gun violence is proof you should not come here.
…did you read my comment at all? I very clearly stated that those are popular tourist destinations that people are still visiting all year round. As in people don’t find THOSE places too dangerous to visit why should they worry about america?
Both of those places are significantly more dangerous than the overwhelming majority of America as I very clearly explained in the rest of my comment.
I don’t think you read my comment at all. If you did you certainly didn’t understand anything I said.
Try again.
If you don’t see the enormous double standard you applied in your last comment, then there’s nothing more for anyone to discuss here.
Enlighten me. What “enormous” double standard did I apply in my last comment?
I won’t deny the fact that gun violence happens here in the US, but statistics can be deceiving when you’re dealing with very small numbers. The article you linked gives a rate of 4.5 per 100,000 people in the US. That would put your country at around 0.13 per 100k.
Out of 100k, the difference between 4.5 and 0.13 is still exceptionally small. So small that your chances of being shot if you live here your entire life are negligible. If you visit for a week or two, your chances are statistically insignificant. If you look at homicides by any means, not just firearms, this becomes even closer.
So while what you say is accurate, you have to look at what it actually means. The United States is not “dangerous” by any stretch of the imagination. 35 multiplied by almost nothing is still almost nothing.
Says only nation where mass shootings occur daily.
You’re full of shit. Redefining “dangerous” doesn’t make things less dangerous. 35x as dangerous will always be 35x as dangerous. Drop your stupid, shitty numbers, reframe it as 1 in 1,000,000 vs. 1 in 22,000. That seem like enough of a difference? It should, if you’re sane. It won’t, if you’re a gun psychopath or just an argumentative asshole.
You’re using “the entire US”. Well, tourists don’t visit “the statistical entire US”. They go to cities, where the people and things are. If you’re too fucking stupid to understand there are places in the US that are DANGEROUS, that’s not my problem.
Please visit some of these dangerous places. Stay forever, I mean the odds are in your favor, right?
Bit of a shithole innit
