Ceasefire:
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Permanent ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine
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Immediate initiation of technical implementation negotiations
Security Guarantees for Ukraine:
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Robust security guarantees for Ukraine
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Guarantors: a group of European and willing non-European states
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Ukraine agrees not to pursue NATO membership
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Ukraine may pursue European Union membership
Territorial Arrangements:
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Crimea: U.S. grants de jure recognition of Russian control
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Luhansk: U.S. grants de facto recognition of Russian control
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Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, Kherson: De facto recognition of Russian control of occupied parts
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Kharkiv Oblast: Ukraine regains territory
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Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant & Kakhovka Dam: Ukraine regains control under U.S. administration, energy distributed to both sides
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Ukraine gains full navigation rights on the Dnieper River and control of the Kinburn Spit
Economic Provisions:
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U.S.–Ukraine economic and minerals cooperation agreement
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Full financial compensation and reconstruction of Ukraine
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Removal of all Russia-related sanctions imposed since 2014
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Resumption of U.S.–Russia economic cooperation, including energy and industrial sectors
Russians won’t go with this. They think can gain full control of the four heavily occupied regions.
Russians are incapable of good faith negotiations. To deal with them you need to be able to show that you are willing and able to use violence against them.
If you think I am wrong, show me a recent example of good faith actions from russians in the foreign policy sphere since the creation of the modern variant of the russian empire.
Peace deal or ceasefire that becomes permanent will need to be policed to have any meaning. That means boots on the ground a la South Korea …
They may pretend to agree tho, start the ceasefire, then assemble their forces and right before the guarantors set up camp, they do a massive sneak attack. You can’t trust those backstabbers.
Exactly.
I don’t even think they can afford to stop the war.
FTFY
Putin has wasted so much blood and treasure, that If he stops the war, he’s as good as dead in Russia’s mafia state.
I believe you mean Russian heads of government and military.
Have to disagree with you on this one, with the clarification that I am refering to matters of geopolitics. What you are implying doesn’t align with factual research and well, historical fact (do not forget that the russians occupied Moldova as far back as the early 90s, putin was no where near power back then).
Happy to share; there are some really interesting approaches that lay bare the childishness of typical arguments on this topic. “How can you do polling in a country like russia, they are all afraid!” Turns out professionals in this sphere do have methods. 😀
But I am curious if you have something more concrete that you wanted to expand on with respect to what you are saying or if this just a general thought on your part.
Its a blanket statement. Further precision in your statement is necessary to be factual.
On one hand I agree with you as I know several russians who are capable of good faith.
One could say:
At the very least a strong majority of russians, and more likely an overwhelming majority, are incapable of good faith thinking/negotiations with respect to geopolitics. Even many allegedly opposition-minded “liberal” russians such as Navalniy and his movements has shown support for the annexation of Crimea and denied the genocidal atrocities committed by russians in Chechnya in the 90s.
I will note that your statement is factually false:
This is basically white washing russian genocidal imperialism.
Again, do you have something concrete to back up the above-mentioned viewed? Surely it should go both ways?
It was true. I stated what I believed you to have meant. I didn’t put forth an opinion on it.
How could you have thought that was true? It would be impossible for me to think that as there is documented evidence to the contrary.
At any rate, do you have something concrete to say or where you just being pedantic about “all russians” verses “At the very least a strong majority of russians…?”