American conservatives have proudly declared their desire to disregard these “red lines” for decades. I’m done waiting on the media to recognize them for what they are - enemies.
You can’t wait for the media, because the media is largely owned by the far right.
They make highly inflammatory right leaning news programs, and highly complacent left leaning news programs. It keeps the right active and angry, and tells the left to sit down and fret quietly while waiting for due process to solve problems.
You meant ANOTHER crucial red line.
We’re running out of red ink for all these red lines being crossed.
Tariffs have doubled the cost of red-lines, as they were sourced in S. E. Asia, processed in a small barely-know penguin island, and packaged in Denmark.
experts are trying to convince americans to respond, but we aren’t.
Like the French Revolution, it takes a lot for a revolt. Ultimately if faces aren’t seen, it forgotten. As for republicans, if they aren’t white faces; it’s forgotten in a day or two.
Lots of us are peacefully protesting and it’s pretty hard for most of us to do anything more than that
Well you guys gotta make an effort or you’ll find out first hand the difference between e.g. Ukraine and Russia. Or Taiwan and China
Americans have to take on the largest military in the world. Are you selling war planes that you can get to Florida without issue?
“americans” aren’t a regular army, they’re a dispersed civilian population and the us military historically actually has a lot of trouble with those
Absolutely. So, your solution is normal Americans declare war and wage irregular asymmetric warfare today. Against what? Our local government buildings? The post office? Commit sabotage against what exactly?
And the us military historically actually has a lot of trouble with those
I disagree, not anymore anyway. Sure Vietnam was a wholesale loss. But while the US failed to institute a lasting democracy in Afghanistan, their KD is like 1:200. In 20 years of occupation they lost under 3000 troops. That is with logistics supplying the force on the other side of the world. That’s actually a crazy accomplishment and show of power.
While the military might not be able to “win” if they fully side with trump, America in for a long and bloody (mostly bloody for the civilians) occupation.
The previous dismissals of court orders were injunctions, not rulings. That’s a contempt of court charge, not a constitutional crisis.
Today were both the first and second rulings he has openly defied. The first was refusing to return Garcia. The second was refusing to allow the AP into the Oval Office to cover the press conference.
Right, so NOW we’ll see how things are, or are not, going to work. Next, the military is up. They would need to remove him from office and let new elections run. If not, then it’s up to us, the last line of defense.
I look behind us and I just see a red road. It’s all red lines, all the way back.
So that’s what the stripes are got e on your flag?
No, this is probably the first one.
The previous one where they disobeyed a court order (turning around planes to El Salvador, stopping new planes from taking off) they successfully appealed that court order to where the Supreme Court declared that order void.
This one (facilitate the return of a wrongfully deported man) is the first one where they’ve just outright refused, and are pretending they can’t comply.
This is a big deal, and it’s unprecedented, even for Trump. This is the red line, and we’re going to see a full blown constitutional crisis this week if it doesn’t get resolved.
I agree in the sense that the way things played out the narrative can be he was right the whole time, so someone inclined to avoid conflict can excuse it, but even if you’re right, you’re still obligated to follow court orders until you successfully get it stayed or appealed. They got a lawful order from a court to turn around flights and just didn’t. The order doesn’t need to be at the end of an appeal to the Supreme Court before it has effect.
LOL the Orange Turd crossed the line a long time ago when he tried to overthrow the government with his MAGAt army.
I’m so sick of the media playing this fucking game.
The media in this country is so infuriating. They asked if we were going to do anything about it, and Bondi says its up to El Salvador. So they asked the El Salvador Hitler, and he says “What am I supposed to do? Its not up to me to make decisions for another country, its a preposterous question!”
Literally EVERY person in the world who could negotiate such a thing was sitting right there in that room, and none of the “journalists” suggested they work it out right now, with the whole world watching.
Yesterday, Peter Navarro was on Meet The Press, and the host never asked him a single question about his primary source for his tariff expertise being a phony expert whose name is an anagram of his own. Its all I would have talked about, but she never alluded to it at all, even at the end when he was blathering on with weird insincere flattery of the host (I got the idea that that’s how he addresses HitlerPig). The guy is a total fraud, and yet he is in charge of our disastrous tariff strategy, and she can’t ask him a single question about his obvious fraudulent qualifications on the subject.
The journalists in the White House Press Corps, and hosting shows like Meet The Press, are supposed to be the top journalists in their proffession, but they treat their jobs as if their only responsibility is to provide a platform for the worst people to present their propaganda as Truth, without any questions.
Then they elected him again. Fucking leopards I tell ya.
He was openly threathening US people, or “dissidents”. So he is basically saying in between lines, that if you rise against him, he’ll do very crazy things. This makes me hope for a Quick removal of the rot.
Everyone’s waiting for someone to do something about this problem but no one seems to know what to do about it or are openly cheering it on.
And nothing will be done because it’s not just Trump crossing that crucial red line, every Republican is right there behind him.
He, his cronies, and half the party need to be tried for treason.
Only half?
And at least a third of the country (and another third doesn’t care).
Man I miss old Looney Tunes.
I went and saw the new movie with Porky Pig and Daffy Duck: The Day the Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes Movie and it was pretty darn good.
And listen, I know now isn’t really a good time to watch a movie and get distracted, but it did a pretty good job of distracting me and made my mental health a tiny bit better not having to think about what we’re going through and will be going through.
There’s nothing wrong with taking a little break from reality. You’ve got to let your mind a soul rest for a bit or you’ll just get depressed!
Sadly it’ll be all of us going off the cliff if this shit persists.
Me an European laughs in Bugs Bunny
You too lmao Europe’s not far behind the US
Why does the majority of the US seem to vote for hateful, senile, or hateful AND senile old fucks? Starting to think the majority of this place is just a bunch of hateful fucks. “Vote for Trump! He hates the same people we do!” GTFO…
Because it’s not actually a democracy.
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.
In a world with habitual line steppers, we need a Charlie Murphy to “check” them.
Oh. Okay. THIS is the crisis moment. Sure.
Surely this time people will all get together and walk down to DC and drag his orange ass out onto the lawn. Surely.
Best they can do is applaud AOC and Sanders while they hold a speech.
Our nation still has the delusion of “Someone is coming to save us.”
In a true democracy that would be way beyond the red line, but in USA today, this is just another Monday.
The American people’s passiveness with regard to “red lines” is about on par with Putin’s overuse of the term. I expect a bit of whining online for 24-48 hours but no meaningful actions.
Mass organizing in the US is logistically difficult, and all our media is owned by people who want to see the protests fail so the coverage isn’t amazing. But we have millions of people protesting right now and the numbers have been growing fast. Protesters have been under threat of arrest and possible death for ages, and they’re opening it up to “get black bagged and sent to tortureville forever”. We have so much working against us even getting resistance off the ground and yeah we aren’t amazing at it, there’s a good chance we can’t pull it off, but we’re trying
Would you rather people stop dissenting online?
If dissenting online makes them feel like they are doing enough to not act IRL, yes.
Revolutions don’t just spontaneously materialize from nothing, they grow from riots, that grow from peaceful protests, that grow from people complaining to each other in social settings. None of the early steps are sufficient, but they are the type of things that are necessary for the end result. There is no world where less dissenting online leads to more direct action.
People dissented online a lot in Russia ten years ago
And that grew into protests and riots, so… what’s your point?
Hey guys, guess what. Authoritarianism isn’t trivial to beat. All the other authoritarian states in the world aren’t just full of lazy people who didn’t use the one simple trick. Turns out both propaganda works and a lot of people are actually scared of being murdered or sent to a gulag.
But again, you get none of that if you try to skip the first steps.
If the conclusion is that a revolution is necessary then protests and riots are obviously insufficient. Which means that posting is not the correct path, particularly because it seems to be very lacking in building irl community, though it is effective at convincing posters that their engagement is “doing something”. It isn’t, aside from enriching tech oligarchs through their attentional engagement
Reread the comment, because you’ve entirely missed the point.
This guy has no idea what nuance is.
The Boxers lead a rebellion in China and failed horribly, accelerating the very thing they were trying to stop. Guess rebellings is bad too.
What a bad faith argument.
I feel like that’s unlikely and that a lot of the people dissenting online are the same ones who are protesting, calling their lawmakers, etc.
Also, it’s not like any of the IRL stuff has been effective yet anyway. Online dissent probably gets seen by more eyeballs than any one protest sign or IRL action that doesn’t end up with the person doing it being arrested or killed (and thus unable to continue resisting this administration), so if it really is an either/or situation I think online dissent is more effective than IRL peaceful protest or writing yet another letter to my lawmakers.
That all said, I really don’t think it is an either/or situation, so I think we can and should be encouraging all the kinds of dissent.
No shit. That’s why I voted for Harris
people still absolutely SHOCKED by fascists doing fascism
You’re going to have to be more specific…
Will things ever go back to normal?
No.
I’m speaking as a fairly moderate, average American who’s been around almost a half century.
I am telling you and anyone who reads this, that this is NOT going back to normal. This is going to get worse. I promise you, you all need to understand this thing I’m about to shout here:
NOBODY IS COMING.
If we want to fix this, we have to do it ourselves. And I have very little allusion that liberal, comfy America and the military is going to dream of upsetting their careful balance and privilege, and they will keep their head down and keep working even as their rights are stripped away and nobody can afford food or water anymore without realizing they’re boiled toads.
Buy beans and rice. Save money. Quit expensive habits and get healthy. Update your passport and put some cash and gold aside in case you need to leave and the banks won’t give you money. Maintain contact with people outside the USA in case you need contacts somewhere. I am dead-fucking-serious.
What normal? The only thing that’s really changed is that the U.S. isn’t masking their crimes in flowery language. It wasn’t that long ago that we were shooting student protestors in campus and segregating our population based on race. We have plenty of experience in illegally removing migrants and have already used concentration camps.
The U.S. might put the mask back on someday, but they’ve been an evil empire for basically their entire existence. It’s unlikely it will change in our lifetimes.
No. “Normal” for the US was the result of you being the only major industrial power that wasn’t flattened during World War II. You maintained your power since then by using the leverage you’d acquired during the postwar years. Now that that leverage is gone, it’s staying gone, since the rest of the world has rebuilt itself.
Societies change, as often for the worse as they do for the better. It also depends what you consider “normal”. For many boomers growing up in the 50’s and 60’s this is fairly normal. We’ve used to shoot students protesting an actual invasion against Vietnam.
And then there are still a lot of immigrants here who fled really bad dictatorial shit holes. They look at headlines going “ICE deported 300 people this week” and go “It’s not even a thousand and they were not gunned down in the streets and their families exterminated, what are you complaining about?”. Perspective.
Fight it however you can, or don’t.
No. Even if he’s gone, the world is irrevocably changed. We’re all going together on this dark ride. The sooner people realize that, the better. Then maybe something can be done.
Your comment reads as “no, but yes if we fix it” to me. It’s that what you were trying to convey? If not, could you explain a bit please?
By “maybe something can be done,” I just mean something to stabilize us. Something to give us a new normal. But, there’s no going back to where we were at in 2024. The US as a whole is finished and something else will take its place
When ‘Yes, Prime Minister’ had a scene about salami tactics, it was referring to the Russians invading West Berlin.
It feels far more relevant to Nazi America today than the actual Russian invasion of Ukraine.
What parody are we living in?
And also, the American people don’t actually have a button to protect themselves from the government
