• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Actually sweatie there’s no difference between liberals and conservatives, Trump isn’t doing anything the LIBS wouldn’t have done and minorities are no worse off than they were before, also Bernie is controlled opposition and a shitlib

    /s

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      6 months ago

      The libs who led us directly into fascism now have nothing to offer but sarcasm and condescension… Pretty typical. You forgot to blame the voters though.

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      Here I go again, taking the bait.

      • Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
      • The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
      • Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
      • Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
      • I doubt anyone could destroy USA’s international prestige and credibility as quickly as Trump has
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        6 months ago

        Here I go again, taking the bait.

        • Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza

        lolwut. The guy literally said that Israel should “finish the job”.

        • The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)

        Lina Kahn has left the room.

        • Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.

        Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”.

        • Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)

        “Cut one and we all bleed.”

        I really think that “the imperial core” is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the “AES” states (the big two are not socialist states). Both Russia and China are also driving hard on exploiting the global South and erosion of US soft power results in reducing checks on that as well as increasing the possibility of further hot wars.

        Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South. Really seems that you’re less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.

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          Ok! First off, thanks for engaging instead of the ol’ donvote-and-run

          The guy literally said that Israel should “finish the job”.

          Few things. First, don’t confuse words with actions (ESPECIALLY with Trump). He got the ceasefire done before even taking office.

          Secondly, I definitely think he’s a soulless ghoul who would sell out the Palestinians for any reason or no reason at all. The point in this argument is that he exposed the blatant dishonesty of the Democrats.

          Lina Kahn has left the room.

          Like - good for her and the Biden White House for nibbling around the edges. Good thing they actually passed laws and not just regulations that will get immediately dismantled when the pendulum swings. In America, CAPITAL ALWAYS WINS

          Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”.

          Unfortunately this one is frankly ridiculous. You literally think the arrow of causation goes in that direction instead of people becoming disillusioned after trying to make change inside the party? People try to make change, discover Capital is in complete control, and abandon “civility”.

          “Cut one and we all bleed.”

          I fully 100% endorse this statement. I lament the loss of lifesaving aid. I lament MORE the decades of self-determination that were stolen by the USA.

          I really think that “the imperial core” is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the “AES” states (the big two are not socialist states).

          Are you an ultraleftist? Which countries have Capital on a leash and which countries are on Capital’s leash? Think carefully before answering.

          Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South.

          Sure, if we are only counting that I fully agree. We haven’t even talked about the collapsing effect food aid has on local food economies.

          Really seems that you’re less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.

          I definitely want the West to lose, that’s not in question. The better question is: Is the Global South suffering because the US just hasn’t dropped enough rice out of C130s or because of decades of exploitation?

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        Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws

        Surely the dems are just as bad.

        • Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that

        Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.

        Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.

        Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.

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          Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws

          I certainly agree that all those policies favor Capital.

          Surely the dems are just as bad.

          The Democrats haven’t struck a real blow against Capital since FDR. The pattern is basically: they do something small with great fanfare, leave a bunch of carve outs for friendly interests, then roll over once there is any resistance. I invite you to provide a counter example from the past 70 years

          • Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that

          Glad we agree.

          Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.

          This has been discussed elsewhere in this thread. Here’s a fun piece to add: Which president started the global AIDS initiative?

          Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.

          Do we actually know what the material conditions are on the ground in the new Sahel states? Seems we have been subject to a media blackout about it. I’m personally cautiously optimistic because of their strong stance against neocolonialism but we have very little information. It’s also worth pointing out that despite Russia and China being close strategic allies at the world level, their foreign policies are wildly different.

          Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.

          What’s actually funny is how the libs in this thread keep missing my actual point. I definitely never said he ended the war, but he did get the ceasefire done that Joe Biden claimed to have been working on for years. Donald Trump claims to not give a shit about the Palestinians yet got the ceasefire done. Joe “Proud Zionist” Biden claims to care about the plight of the Palestinians yet did less to end their suffering. The point is that Democratic lip service is often worse or equivalent to the Republicans’ more honest cruelty, especially in foreign policy

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            The “new” sahel states are going great: In Mali, Wagner Troops shoot civilians, Malian Refugees get raped while trying to cross the border into Niger and there are still large scale famines. Elections have been abolished, because Goïta just knows best.

            In Niger, the nationalization of the Uranium Mines was never fully realized, instead it’s used as an insurance policy for the new Junta to stay in power. As long as foreign Powers acknowledge the legitimacy of the Junta, they can keep extracting Uranium. The main trigger for this coup wasnt “anti-neocolonialism”, but the impending replacement of Tchiani as Head of the Presidential Guard. This guard conducted a coup and to noones surprise, the new Head of State is now Tchiani.

            In Guinea, the current Junta first claimed, they’d hold elections in 2024 to transition back to civilian government. Now they claim to do in 2026. Meanwhile, they are busy pardoning convicted warcriminals (copying the trump playbook here). Economically, no improvement has happened.

            Let’s go to Burkina Faso: Wagner is incapable of holding the insurgency back. Djibo, supplied by air lift until the expulsion of the French Airforce, is right now turning into Leningrad. Traoré’s initial reason for both his coups and the expulsion of the French was a lack of success in repelling this Islamic Insurgency. The situation is now worse than it has been in 2021. Oh, and again, Elections were pushed back until 2029.

            They replaced French Neocolonialism with Russian Neocolonialism, called it liberation and then its business as usual. Top down oppression, selling off natural resources in order to finance your own grip on power and maybe a different flavor of ethnic violence.