Actually sweatie there’s no difference between liberals and conservatives, Trump isn’t doing anything the LIBS wouldn’t have done and minorities are no worse off than they were before, also Bernie is controlled opposition and a shitlib
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actually sweatie
Literally had me going…
Can’t tell if you’re pretending to be maga or tankie
Is there a difference?
Tankies at least aren’t as racist, I guess.
Take a deeper look into the genocides the Communist countries did and are still doing. It’s very uncommon that a genocide isn’t racist.
Yeah, you’re right.
Thank fuck there’s some sense on this platform.
The libs who led us directly into fascism now have nothing to offer but sarcasm and condescension… Pretty typical. You forgot to blame the voters though.
Here I go again, taking the bait.
- Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
- The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
- Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
- Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
- I doubt anyone could destroy USA’s international prestige and credibility as quickly as Trump has
Here I go again, taking the bait.
- Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
lolwut. The guy literally said that Israel should “finish the job”.
- The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
Lina Kahn has left the room.
- Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”.
- Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
“Cut one and we all bleed.”
I really think that “the imperial core” is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the “AES” states (the big two are not socialist states). Both Russia and China are also driving hard on exploiting the global South and erosion of US soft power results in reducing checks on that as well as increasing the possibility of further hot wars.
Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South. Really seems that you’re less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.
Forget it, Jake. It’s .ml town.
Ok! First off, thanks for engaging instead of the ol’ donvote-and-run
The guy literally said that Israel should “finish the job”.
Few things. First, don’t confuse words with actions (ESPECIALLY with Trump). He got the ceasefire done before even taking office.
Secondly, I definitely think he’s a soulless ghoul who would sell out the Palestinians for any reason or no reason at all. The point in this argument is that he exposed the blatant dishonesty of the Democrats.
Lina Kahn has left the room.
Like - good for her and the Biden White House for nibbling around the edges. Good thing they actually passed laws and not just regulations that will get immediately dismantled when the pendulum swings. In America, CAPITAL ALWAYS WINS
Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”.
Unfortunately this one is frankly ridiculous. You literally think the arrow of causation goes in that direction instead of people becoming disillusioned after trying to make change inside the party? People try to make change, discover Capital is in complete control, and abandon “civility”.
“Cut one and we all bleed.”
I fully 100% endorse this statement. I lament the loss of lifesaving aid. I lament MORE the decades of self-determination that were stolen by the USA.
I really think that “the imperial core” is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the “AES” states (the big two are not socialist states).
Are you an ultraleftist? Which countries have Capital on a leash and which countries are on Capital’s leash? Think carefully before answering.
Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South.
Sure, if we are only counting that I fully agree. We haven’t even talked about the collapsing effect food aid has on local food economies.
Really seems that you’re less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.
I definitely want the West to lose, that’s not in question. The better question is: Is the Global South suffering because the US just hasn’t dropped enough rice out of C130s or because of decades of exploitation?
Less taking bait and more leaving bait.
Interesting, what makes a comment “bait” in your view?
List of statements that you know will piss people off and make them argue.
It might have been nice if Ol Biden had actually given a shit about the coup attempt and pushed to have the people at the top of the food chain tried for it. We might have avoided this whole situation if Trump had been tried while he was still persona non grata. Instead, his admin chose to treat it like any other criminal enterprise instead of the existential threat it was. Now we are all paying for it and I doubt the country will survive.
Biden was too old or naive to recognize that the era of civility in politics was over. At the very least, SCOTUS ruling that presidents are essentially kings should’ve kicked him in the ass. I guess thx for the economy Joe, but it wasn’t nearly enough.
the era of civility in politics was over
I’m not sure that’s the case, though of course the demented rapist in office is a hell of an argument for it. I just think he’s the worst possible combination of huckster, narcissist, dementia sufferer, and russian intelligence. So far, yes, yes.
Rational discussion still exists, and it can be about politics - just not with any of these pithed clowns in power.
IMO the civility era has been over at LEAST since Turtle McConnell made it his mission to block everything he could coming from a black president.
Yeah, agreed, but I think he’s at fault for not wanting to appear to use the justice system to attack political rivals. The fact that Garland was a slack@$% mf or that Aileen Canon is a cunt non-pariel isn’t his fault, but it sure added to the turd circus we got dropped on us.
And of course hindsight is 20/20.
It’s time to post the two Santas again.
First, the Two Santas strategy dictates, when Republicans control the White House they must spend money like a drunken Santa and cut taxes to run up the U.S. debt as far and as fast as possible.
This produces three results: it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy; it raises the debt dramatically; and it makes people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.”
Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.
I noticed this year before already too, and if you look at the graphs it’s just impossible to understand how much of an idiot you have to be to vote Republican.
Then Sarah Palin came by and it really showed bottom of the barrel, or so I thought.
Now we’re here…
Same old song in every country. Trying to talk actual economics with someone who votes for the right shows how little they care about facts and how much their decisions are based on feelings and what they’re told by the people they consider their superiors.
However true this is, the fascists simply do not care about truth.
Thank you for posting this. Helps us build block lists of the cunts.
Be careful saying this around here, you’ll be labeled a lib, crucified, and stalked by tankies.
Bring it.
Based. Tankies can blow me.
When were those days, exactly? I’ve studies a hell of a lot of history, and I can really only point to two moments:
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The American Civil War, but we were both the good guys and the bad guys there, so doesn’t really count.
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WW2. We fought against fascism. We were squarely on the side of the good guys.
I’ve never been alive when America was the good guys, and neither has the vast majority of anyone else.
As a history nerd that has gone down many rabbit holes a lot of the worlds problems of the last 200 years and beyond are because of countries like USA, England. Russia, Spain etc.For example Central America and even some of South America that was colonized by Spain which stole a vast amount of natural resources such as gold and silver. Later down the line some of these countries especially in central America though they were never colonized by USA USA had a lot of influence on them and even was the one controlling their civil wars like they were playing video games. As soon as communism was not a threat America pulled out of those countries and left them in a shitty place. Another example is the MS 13 terrorist gang organization which originally was founded in Los Angeles, These gang members were than arrested in United States and then deported back to Central America without giving those governments a heads up of who exactly they where sending back and by not doing that this gang turned into one of the biggest criminal organizations in the world
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Politics should be boring
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Libs are willing to support genocide as long as their personal privilege is maintained. That’s a big part of how liberalism supports fascism. Trump is just a continuation of Biden.
Yeah, leftists would never support genocide in order to protect their own power structure. Except for that one time… Or that other time… And also…
But i’m sure you’d never see leftist college students TODAY running around LARPing as murderous ethno-nationalists.
But man, those liberals… Crazy, right?!
How exactly are these images supporting your claim of “college students LARPing as murderous ethno-nationalists”? Because they’re wearing a Kufiya?
Historically, Palestine as an ethno-nationalist movement, formed in opposition to Jewish return. The keffiyeh as a political symbol, only gained widespread popularity as a means to hide one’s identity from British authorities while protesting Jewish immigration - protests like mob violence, lynchings, burning businesses and homes, etc. Kind of like a Klan hood.
You’re just wrong on this one. Palestine existed way before the Zionist movement. If a group of people move into your ancestral home and tell you, “hey my fairy tale book here says this place is mine” will you leave quietly? Palestinian protests stem from this problem. Saying a keffiyeh is equivalent to a klan hood is fucking bizarre, because keffiyehs are a cultural symbol that come from people living in arid climates. It has become a political symbol to support Palestine in this genocide taking place against them.
“It’s really not until the 1930s that we start to see the keffiyeh change in meaning, not by the patterning that’s in the scarf, but in its use.”
-Wafa Ghnaim, a Palestinian dress expert and a senior research fellow at the Metropolitan Museum of Art
“Until the 1920s, the keffiyeh was almost exclusively worn by Bedouin men, according to Ghnaim, and it was simply a way to identify nomadic men in historic Palestine from villagers, fellaheen, and town people.”
“According to Ghnaim, the first time we see the keffiyeh used as a political statement was during the Arab Revolt in Palestine in 1936 — an uprising against British rule that included demands for independence and an end to Jewish immigration.”
"At that time, the majority of the armed resistance was taking place in the villages, and the fighters used the keffiyeh to hide their features — helping it to become associated with the revolution. The revolution’s leaders issued an order for men to wear the keffiyeh to express solidarity with the revolutionaries and so that the British could not distinguish the fighters from others."
“In the 1960s, it became associated with Palestinian nationalism, particularly due to its adoption by leaders like Yasser Arafat. During this era, it represented solidarity and resistance against the Israeli occupation.”
“Around the same time, the fedayeen — a term used to describe nationalist Palestinian militants — conducted guerilla operations while wearing the keffiyeh.”
“Other prominent Palestinians also donned the keffiyeh during that time, included Leila Khaled — who was involved in two plane hijackings in 1969 and 1970 as part of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.”
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/06/1216150515/keffiyeh-hamas-palestinians-israel-gaza
Right, none of which is ethno-nationalism. British rule colonised a ton of countries around the world, a lot of which revolted against them. Why is Palestine any different in this case? Because they fought against Jewish immigration who openly declared that they wanted to take over the land? That’s not immigration, that’s invasion.
Just because Trump is terrible it doesn’t make Biden any better. We’re talking about a genocide enabler here. Ffs.
Followed by another genocide enabler. Your math sucks.
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out Biden sucks.
The number of people who are seemingly ignorant of any of the actual politics of Joseph is alarming. Democratic aligned politics has devolved to the same level of Republican politics in the sense of metrics and language. “Economy good” is an absolutely wild way to summarize Joe’s politics and the impact on politics that he had. He was a conservative man. From his earliest days as a politician, he was conservative. He played a not insignificant role in creating the modern political landscape. Including in essentially running interference for Clarence Thomas during his initial candidacy for the Supreme Court (Thomas had dozens of credible allegations of sexual harassment and sexual misconduct). Biden was notoriously pro colonialism throughout the entirety of his political career, including active support of Israel and its colonization of Palestine going back to the 70s. He spent decades campaigning on anti-crime discourse that prioritized higher budgets for police to spend targeting minority communities, a fact he was absolutely aware of.
The political legacy of this man is not “Economy good”. It is a lifelong career against workers rights, minority rights and pushing conservative agendas within the democratic party against leftist ones. His term as president did not see any degree of preparation for the rise of fascism. He played a significant role in the failures of the democratic party during the election campaign. Refusing to step aside, proving his own incompetence over and over again, refusing to push a progressive platform, refusing to denounce colonialism and genocide, and ultimately playing into many of the same political talking points of American fascists. Joe Biden is a stain on American history. He spent his last 4 years of political relevancy fighting against workers rights and protecting international genocidal institutions. All the while he made an absolute mockery of the institutions of political power in the united states and helped truly ring the funeral bell of American trust in federal institutions.
Let his failure be a galvanizing lesson about all the failures of American liberalism. Leftism is the only true political opposition to fascism. This election was not lost because democrats went woke. It was lost because they refused to change. It was lost because of their own blatant hypocrisy and refusal to campaign on working class politics and humanitarianism. Liberal conservatism handed the reigns to fascism.
He spent decades campaigning on anti-crime discourse that prioritized higher budgets for police to spend targeting minority communities, a fact he was absolutely aware of.
this was during the 90s crime wave? Right?
Let his failure be a galvanizing lesson about all the failures of American liberalism. Leftism is the only true political opposition to fascism.
i have yet to see a single lefty produce a functional model of government. Liberals base their entire ideology off of a functional governmental model. You have an uphill battle in this regard.
this was during the 90s crime wave? Right?
No, he campaigned on crime at least as far back as 1972. Throughout the entirety of his political career actually, including through his presidency. He is a conservative nationalist. In the same vein is casually racist and indeed sexist.
You said this in another comment,
and a lot of it is also 20 years old
To which I say that is not an excuse. People were anti-racist back then too, and people had been calling out police violence against people of color since the 19th century and the white supremacist origins of the modern american militarized police. Also we’re talking moreso 60 years of continual support for these institutions, not merely 20 years ago.
i have yet to see a single lefty produce a functional model of government. Liberals base their entire ideology off of a functional governmental model. You have an uphill battle in this regard.
Yes, and liberalism has historically resisted fascist takeovers so well.
Neoliberalism prioritizes the mass hoarding of wealth of the capitalist ruling class above everything else. Neoliberalism has been the dominant ideology of western electoral democracy since the time of Ronald Reagan. This is especially true of America and Great Britain. Neoliberalism does not create a functional government. It creates continuously worsening economic inequalities and devotes all its resources to preventing workers from achieving class consciousness and resisting their increasing oppression from the ruling class. Fascists are political allies with neoliberals. They have the same aims in preventing the spread of workers rights and maintaining class hierarchies.
But the mere fact that you have phrased it as a “functional model of government” is absolutely indicative of your own ignorance as to what workers rights even are and what leftism is. There are many extent leftist nations today. Social Democracy is a leftist ideology, and I find it pretty unlikely that you view the Social Democracies of Scandinavia in a negative light.
Cuba, Vietnam, China, Venezuela, the USSR. These are some examples of a lefty functional model of government.
but your gonna say “those governments did bad things”
And I’m gonna say “not as many bad things as the capitalist US of A”
the USSR was really only successful during it’s period of industrialization, past that they didn’t advance much and really only coasted on oil until that started to crash and basically killed them. Stalin also had some, interesting ideas of leadership.
China is an authoritarian state, has been for a long time, mao was, arguably one of the worst leaders ever. Created a massive famine that killed millions just so he could make a single nuclear bomb.
I’m not particularly familiar with the rest, so i can’t really comment. I guess you could argue that the US has done bad things, but so has basically every super power. It’s not really anything new. The primary thing is that the US still exists, china also does, but they’re also having domestic issues as well.
The argument is whether “lefties” have a functional model of government and they objectively do, contrary to your claim.
As for superpowers all doing bad things, I’m arguing specifically that the US does and has done significantly MORE bad things than other big countries like China or the USSR.
also I listed 5 countries and 4 of them still exist. You skipped over 3 of them because you realized how weak your argument was
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Oh no! This candid human moment between two men is surely proof of liberal embrace of fascism! How could I have been so wrong as to not see it when it’s so simple and the proof is in this photo!
Similarly havent noticed the suffering caused by neoliberalism?
