Speaking as an American, everyone who can needs to stay the fuck out until we can get some semblance of having our shit together.
Doing payroll would be you performing a transaction in another country to people in that other country. At no point are you performing work where you receive remuneration in the country you’re visiting - which is the point of working visas. Just because you did a bit of paperwork for your work back home doesn’t mean you’re violating tourist visa conditions.
So what I’m not understanding is, why are we putting people in jail for something that isn’t causing harm? Unless, is there something about overstaying your visa that is harmful?
Catering to your idiotic voters is the reason.
There were other tourists, too. Bana, from Romania, was on holiday in Canada and visited Peace Arch park, on the international boundary between the US and Canada. She told Becky she had been taking selfies with her husband when a US border official told her they had strayed into American territory without the right visa and took her into custody.
So they’re bringing people into the country to arrest them. Genius. Those detention centers must be rolling in cash right now and DOGE is ignoring it.
Isn’t peace arch park not supposed to be excluded from immigration?
Couldn’t you just run back over the border?
If you don’t mind being shot for trying to escape.
Doubtful but I’d take my chances. Even if I was shot, as long as I fell over the border, Canada would take me into it’s wondrous public health care and discharge me with no bill and a cheery ‘sorry bout that eh’
That’s what I was thinking. Would depend where you are, but just leg it
Extradite me bitch!
Her advice to anyone planning to travel to the US is simply not to go. “First, because of the danger of what could happen to you. And, secondly, do you really want to give your money to this country right now?”
I’m having real difficulty convincing my mother not to go to the US. She doesn’t really pay much attention to the news and although she knows some things are going on I find it very hard to get her to understand how serious it is.
this is well within the territory where you shouldn’t feel bad about pulling out all the stops and making a personal emotional appeal, outright beg her not to go, tell her you’re terrified of losing your mom
When in fact her advice should have been “understand the terms of your visa”
Tell that to the man in an El Salvador prison admitted to be an “admin error”. He knew exactly what his terms were and didn’t break any laws. He was sent illegally and he’s not coming back. This isn’t “it happens under all administrations”. Wake up, people are being detained in broad daylight and then theyre cancelling their visas. Wake up before it starts happening to you too.
What about what now ?
That’s BS. She did chores. Did she even earn wages? She stayed 7 weeks, no overstay.
I’m leaving now because no one here can read.
I’m leaving now because people are challenging my black and white view and they’re making me question my beliefs.
Trump doesn’t care about law, be it domestic or foreign. He will just grab you by the nethers and say that your visa is dead because he thought it should be.
Her visa was dead. That’s the point.
This is a completely typical outcome for anyone who doesn’t understand the terms of their visa under any administration.
The trap it seems you and many others have fallen into, is the media using a middle class white girl along side emotive language such as “shackled” and “held with criminals” to elicit the outrage response.
Normally if someone enters on a wrong visa, they get informed and sent back (often at their own expense). She was willing to do so once she figured out her mistake, but instead she was thrown in prison for weeks for no real identifiable purpose. She was treated like a criminal who tried to purposefully illegally enter, whereas she just made a mistake on her visa. Her devices were confiscated too so she couldn’t really make contact with friends or family for help.
And if this happens to someone making a mistake, it can happen to someone where border patrol makes a mistake. Fuck that, if that’s how y’all want to treat your guests, I ain’t visiting.
You are mistaken and This ‘oh sorry, I’ll just go home’ is childish and naive.
There are dozens upon dozens of ICE cases where people are routinely treated like this. A quick google is all you need.
I’m not making any argument for the rights or wrongs of the matter, but this is a very typical encounter with ICE for a Visa infarction .
this is absolutely wild behaviour for someone on slrpnk.net
Meh, sure she was wrong on that, but that doesn’t justify taking her into custody and refusing to allow her to go home.
Yeah
She had been travelling on her own, staying on homestays free of charge in exchange for doing household chores, drawing as she went. For Burke, 28, it was absolute freedom.
Within hours of posting that drawing, Burke got to see a much darker side of life in America, and far more than a glimpse. When she tried to cross into Canada, Canadian border officials told her that her living arrangements meant she should be travelling on a work visa, not a tourist one. They sent her back to the US, where American officials classed her as an illegal alien. She was shackled and transported to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention centre, where she was locked up for 19 days – even though she had money to pay for a flight home, and was desperate to leave the US.
Exactly. Canada refused her entry first, then when America learned why they detained her.
She should have been deported and put on the next flight at her expense, not detained for nearly 3 weeks, but she definitely fucked up and took the piss with her visa.
So send her home then. She’s obviously not trying to illegally live in the US so there was absolutely no reason to arrest her. The problem is they think it’s appropriate to arrest anyone they like and absolutely no one can stop them. I wouldn’t dare go to the US anymore even if I followed every single rule because they can just do whatever the hell they want to whoever the hell they want with absolute impunity.
Obeying the letter of the law is absolutely no guarantee they won’t decide to just screw you over because they get off on it.
There is some reason to arrest her. She had already been in the country for 3 weeks doing who knows what, so now that they suspect she was doing something wrong it’s worthwhile to investigate.
There’s even some justification for making the detention a miserable process, so as to deter others. It’s very shitty, and I don’t agree with it, but there is at least a rationality about it.
The real kicker is the length of the detention. This isn’t in the interests of America, this is only in the interests of the private prisons padding their bill to the American taxpayer. The whole process is shitty, but this last part proves that they are only serving their own interests.
I want to know who narced on her.
She was just doing chores at houses in exchange for boarding. She wasn’t paid. She just did chores.
Those peace bridge agents are always looking for this. They have you narc on yourself. Had an incident there going back and forth with a foreign born USA citizen.
She narced on herself to Canada, then America overheard.
That would qualify as work according to the US gov. Because by doing these chores, you are potentially causing someone to not need to pay a nanny or whatever. Be careful how you define work – you don’t need to be directly paid.
By throwing your rubbish in a bin whilst in the USA, you are causing the city to not need to pay a litter picker to collect and throw your rubbish into a bin.
I know I’m just being silly, and I know you’re not wrong, I’m just sayin. There’s a thousand ways one could look at almost any action and suggest ways in which it is “work” if we define it as causing someone else to not have to do a job or get paid for something.
You’re not being silly, and it is wrong. Just because ICE is bending over backwards to drag people into this shit doesn’t make it right, and you shouldn’t fall for their gaslighting and normalization. It’s wrong, and you should feel confident in calling out how fucking absurd this shit is.
morally wrong out factually wrong? yall Redditors are driving me nuts
It’s not work because you’re depriving someone of the job, it’s work because you are doing a task for a benefit. It’s just a non cash benefit.
She was doing work for a benefit. It wasn’t cash, but it had value. If that wasn’t work, and therefore not taxable, everyone would just switch to getting paid in services and benefits that aren’t cash.
She was treated extremely harshly but she was working illegally. There are lots of digital nomads that do similar. They work in places where they are staying on a tourist visa, it’s illegal. I run a small business. When I am away on holidays overseas, my staff need to be paid. I log in and pay them while away. Technically that is in breach of my visa for most countries, I’d say.
That’s not work? That’s common courtesy! You stay at someones house so you help out.
Yea, no. This is only considered ‘work’ if you’re a physics teacher.
I feel like only one person calling you stupid isn’t enough, so I’d like to add that this is one of the stupidest collections of words I have ever read.
I genuinely hope you make statements like this in your daily life. After all, the world needs humor.
hey leave them alone. stupidity has nothing to do with it. are they right or wrong? sorry, but the facts matter here and I’m not trusting popular opinion to figure out immigration law
this place feels more like reddit lately
i was about to write an actual response but honestly, it’s entirely likely “you” aren’t even even a real person so i’m just going to tell anyone reading this to eat more fibre for better gut health.
You’re an idiot.
That’s the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard in my life.
You absolutely do not need to do anything to pay your staff it’s just a standing order bank transaction.
Lol, you clearly have never done payroll. Payslips need to be generated timesheets entered and payments need to be authorized. Not all staff work full time or work on a fixed schedule, so set and forget a standing bank order is not viable. I would imagine that’s the case for most companies and businesses that employ hourly paid employees. Salried positions are generally in offices but even then they can vary.
You’re still not paying them from a personal account so you’re not doing business. Business accounts are not tied to a person, they’re tied to the company so their example makes no sense.
Also that’s not a correct interpretation of the law anyway, because obviously if the law worked like it would be fucking stupid.
so your rationale for believing this person is wrong about a foreign country’s laws, with notoriously complex immigration law, is that “it would be stupid”
i just feel like i need to point out how stupid these replies are, because if we have no sense of the truth, believing you over the other guy is just as stupid.
stop arguing immigration law online, talk to a lawyer
We are not arguing immigration law we’re arguing about whether or not paying your employees via remote payment services constitutes working.
Obviously it doesn’t
And actually no you’re incorrect that’s not how things work being sensible in online communications is a two-way street and this person isn’t being sensible they’ve put out an utterly ludicrous statement as a possible fact and everyone is calling them out for how utterly ridiculous that statement is. There’s no two siding this, they are wrong.
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Best to get a lobotomy before going to the US that way they won’t be able to accuse you of trying to work illegally while you’re there. It also has the benefit that you’ll finally be on the same mental level as Trump and his supporters.
I’m sorry, but this is NOT the kind of person I want in prison. AND I don’t want prisons profiting off her misery.
This article could have been written as a warning to others about lying to Immigration officials and the possible repercussions but they just go straight to making this girl the poor victim.
The whole article can be summed up with, If you lie to ICE (FA) and they find out (FO) you’re going to have a bad time.
She had been travelling on her own, staying on homestays free of charge in exchange for doing household chores, drawing as she went. For Burke, 28, it was absolute freedom.
It’s not free of charge if you have to work in exchange for room and board. She was employed by the home owners and instead of cash she got a room.
Her whole trip was planned around working off her room and board with manual labor. She knew exactly what she was doing, she lied, she got caught.
Because what the ICE did, while maybe de jure legal, was overexatturated?
Okay Maga Hat.
Yeah, doing chores around the house in exchange for stay is “payment”. No money exchanges hands, she gets to make friends, sometimes even have a personal guide, she wasn’t short on money and could pay for groceries herself, she even had the money to pay for a flight home.
Framing this as “she was employed” is ludicrous. Painting it as if she was dependent on it is ridiculous. Locking her up instead of sending her straight home is bonkers.
Also saying she was “fucking around” is a straight lie. She told ICE she was there with Workaway. She actually told them the truth. Lying would’ve been “I paid for my stay”.
I know empathy is difficult on the internet, but it seems like reading is even more difficult for you.
Framing this as “she was employed” is ludicrous. Painting it as if she was dependent on it is ridiculous. Locking her up instead of sending her straight home is bonkers.
And if it had been employment, the correct law enforcement action would’ve been to arrest her host for trafficking/modern slavery/failing to pay minimum wage, not go after her, the victim.
You’re angry at America and ICE, but it was Canada that refused her entry and first took issue with her activity. After that, when she immediately came back across the border, America was pretty much obligated to look into things.
They definitely should have just deported her immediately, but she apparently did break the visa terms. I read somewhere it was to do with her giving tattoos, or at least that was part of the accusation against her.
3 weeks’ detention is the fucked up part.
I read somewhere it was to do with her giving tattoos, or at least that was part of the accusation against her.
I think you’re confusing this with other needless detentions. That one was at the Mexican border, and I think the woman was German. It’s difficult to keep track though.
Three Germans. Mentioned in the article. One over a month in a detention center with 8 days of solitary confinement.
That one was at the Mexican border, and I think the woman was German.
You might be right, I remember the tattoo one being a girl who was turned away at another border before being detained by the US on her way back. If that happened in Mexico as well it’s easy to see why the two could get confused.
Like I say though the fucked up part is the lengthy detention. That doesn’t benefit anyone except the private prisons, at the expense of American taxpayers.
You’re angry at America and ICE, but it was Canada that refused her entry and first took issue with her activity
It’s amazing how you put those right and wrongs side by side in one sentance and still do not understand the issue. They’re angry because canada did the right thing and told her to go back where she came from. USA detained her, jailed her and kept her imprisoned without allowing her to leave without any due process, all based on vibes. They could’ve detained her until her flight came to get her out of US.
Given the opportunity Canada did not do what usa does. USA is NOT a safe country to travel to and nobody should go there.
The USA detained her at the border because a) there was no direct way for her to go back home from the US/Canada land border; b) she had been refused entry by Canada, who have similar entry requirements, meaning the US should be refusing her entry also; and c) she had already been in the country for 3 weeks and they needed to investigate what she had been doing. That’s an awful lot more than just “vibes”.
But yes, as I said in my comment above, the length of detention is the real fucked up part. That’s longer than needed to sort the logistics or perform any necessary investigations, and proves that this is just about filling private prisons at the expense of taxpayers.
Canada was not in the same position as the US, so the two responses aren’t directly comparable. However, you’re right that the US is not a safe country - I’d even caution US citizens against crossing the border right now.
That maybe so, but why such an excessive stay? Stick her on a plane, sorted.
While I agree the time in detention was excessive, this wasn’t at an airport, it was at the Canadian land border. So it’s understandable that she wouldn’t immediately get on a plane back home - she’d likely have to be taken to a central facility and then transferred to an airport. But yeah, that shouldn’t take 3 weeks.
They had to do that to deport her anyway.
Yes that’s my point. There’s a bit more of a process from the Canadian land border than at an airport. At an airport, you’d just be turned around and paying for a flight. At the land border - particularly the border between two countries that don’t want you - it’s going to take a bit longer because the logistics are more complicated. Also, there might be some kind of investigation, as she has already been staying in the country for several weeks at this point.
However we should be talking about like 3-4 days at most (if that), not 3 weeks.
If they didn’t want to go to prison, they shouldn’t have stolen the candy bar. FAFO! Also I hate authoritarians. FREEDOM!
Did you not simply say “British ! Enough of your nonsense! “ and come home to your king ?
