Except if you know the amendment will fail and you know the amendment is a stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist, you can’t be expected to take it seriously.
But again, what’s the endgame for this criticism? She resigns and someone more centrist or corporate or right leaning takes her place? She feels bad and remembers next time to virtue signal meaningless gestures instead of attempting to achieve plausible goals?
So you acknowledge it didn’t have a chance of passing and was thus of completely null value, except as far as you get to use it to attack someone for not virtue signalling your preferred message. And it’s really super important to drag her because doing so will magically help more leftists come to power in the US and topple the authoritarian regime…? What’s your end game on this strategy? You’ll die on a useless hill from a MAGA boot on your face and your last satisfied utterance will be, “at least we told AOC off that one time,” is that it? Do you think this witch hunt will have any useful results?
AOC still voted against blocking military aid to Israel.
No, she didn’t. Any number times zero is zero. She could have voted for an amendment to kick puppies and then voted against the bill and thus ultimately voted against kicking puppies. You don’t seem to understand how bills and amendments work.
What result do you want to happen here?
Do the same give me her voting history of when she opposed funding this genocide.
Literally the bill in question. If you aren’t familiar with the bill the amendment was for, you don’t know what we’re discussing.
and your reply to me was basically plugging your ears shouting “LALALA I Cannot Hear Cannot See…”
No, my reply is that you’re spewing racist conspiracy theories.
kenyian secret-muslim immigrant
Again with the racism and conspiracy theories. You’re not even trying to hide it. You clearly have no moral grounds to criticize other people.
At issue here is the first vote only.
The first vote was meaningless. It was a political stunt amendment by a racist conspiracy theorist. And a single vote for or against the amendment has no chance of affecting whether Israel got funds for more genocide.
This yearly military budget bill always gets passed, without exception, which AOC knows. She knew that, in the end, the bill would get passed despite her nay vote.
It’s really weird that you’re able to see this inevitability, yet you’re not able to also see the inevitable failure of the amendment MTG put forth. This is exactly why all this foaming at the mouth over a doomed amendment vote is so misdirected! It had no practical, functional, or realistic bearing on anything in reality other than for MTG to tell her conspiracy theorist followers that she opposes Jewish people getting more space lasers or however she wants to spin it.
That being the case, why did she vote against removing military aid to Israel?
She explained her reasoning. Why are you asking what she intended when she already explained why? I don’t agree with the reasoning, but it was still a meaningless act.
You’re complaining she put expired ingredients in a meal that she threw out and never served anyone. Meanwhile Trump is dodging Epstein list revelations, ICE is brutalizing and human trafficking (and genociding) immigrants, but at least we have someone to attack and feel morally superior to who literally didn’t fund Israel as was falsely claimed.
I think the claim that she funded or supports funding genocide by Israel is contradicted by the very public and verifiable voting record on the funding bill that continued funding Israel to which she voted nay. The entire premise of the attack is that she did something she didn’t actually do.
Please read my comment until the end because I am addressing every thing you said.
Not coherently or relevantly. “Please read all the nonsense.”
Wrong. Watch this video and check the list of people who voted against it:
I’m not clicking any link you provide. I don’t trust you. And I’m not clicking on X links because you have to sign in to see full content and I don’t support fascists like Musk.
You can check the voting history of the bill (not the amendment). She voted against the bill. If you assert otherwise, you’re admitting you’re incapable of searching the Internet for the vote and therefore aren’t worth discussing the topic with.
She owns her political career to Israeli government businessmen with strong ties to AIPAC. She and her family are also Jewish.
This is some yarn on the corkboard conspiracy theorism with a sprinkling of racism thrown in. You’re ignoring a lot of nuance and context. Religiously, she’s Catholic. Genetically, she’s only partially Jewish and primarily Latino/Puerto Rican. I might have German heritage but you’d be remiss to accuse me of siding with Trump because he also has German heritage. Shared DNA isn’t a smoking gun.
I’m going to skip the rest of this so you can wipe the froth from your lips and reread what you wrote. It’ll help if you take the Klan hood off first.
Barack Hussain Obama
Obama didn’t do enough of what I wanted and wasn’t a leftist, but the only people who I ever see use his middle name are conservatives dog whistling their racism.
How dumb are Americans to still fall for the same fucking trick
You seem really confused. There is no functionally left American option and there hasn’t been throughout the time you’re referencing. AOC is left leaning at most and not enough for my preferences. Obama and Biden were centrists and corporate Democrats. But you vote for the least worst option because otherwise you get 2016 and 2024 results and then you get genocide of undocumented immigrants here in the US.
You’re missing the point though. Vilifying AOC and lying about something she didn’t do (she literally, factually, actually, provably voted against the bill to fund Israel) isn’t going to do anything useful to push the US further left. Why are you functionally giving ammunition to conservatives to continue to remain in power and push further right? Are you an accelerationist or just don’t understand how politics works?
Also, when you ask how dumb Americans, are you not including yourself? If you’re not an American, it means you can’t vote or legally influence an election in a meaningful way, so you’re just wasting your time and mine. I hope it made you feel good. Happy to provide you with the chance for hollow senses of accomplishment and pride.
Yes, I’m aware what they were quoting. It doesn’t hold any meaning. It was a non sequitur.
Glad to see 4chan levels of maturity have spread to Lemmy.
And if I have a job already? And if putting effort into a job isn’t mutually exclusive with commenting in an online forum, what then? I’m really interested in getting life advice from randos on the internet. Please help me. You’re my only hope.
Note that I said I wouldn’t fund the iron dome. I don’t think Israel should receive any funding from the US. But apparently nuance isn’t in vogue right now.
Keep stuffing that straw man.
Definitely don’t feel like you have to have done something “significant” already. A bunch of people don’t figure out what they want to do until their 30s or 40s or even later. Your brain won’t even finish developing for several more years. A big favor you can do for yourself is not have high expectations for what’s going to happen. Set a reasonable goal for yourself such as “discover five new things that interest you over the next five years.”
Try out some new activities that might be fun. Try to notice patterns of what types of things you enjoy. Do you enjoy being creative? Test out different mediums. Write, draw, learn to play an instrument, see what you like.
Talk to people who already do the stuff you might want to do. Ask them how they got started. Sometimes they can even help you get started. I had a guy give me a free soldering kit when I was in my early 20s because he was making cool stuff and I expressed an interest in the same.
I was depressed in my teenage years and I’m on the spectrum. I didn’t have the benefit of knowing I was on the spectrum, so you’ve got a leg up on understanding yourself more than I did. Not everybody on the spectrum experiences the same patterns, but my flavor lets me deep dive into topics of interest and learn a lot of specialized knowledge with hyper focus when I find something I’m really interested in. The beauty is there are likely hundreds of these topics to find interesting and pursue.
I started with a lot of digital stuff on computers like digital photography and graphic design and modding game content because it was cheaper and easier than buying and accruing a lot of physical materials for a new hobby.
If you’re looking for new friends or relationships, you can often meet interesting people while pursuing a hobby. Having something in common is a good starting point and provides easy topics of conversation. Don’t put too much pressure on yourself about it though.
I don’t like to exercise, so I’ve learned to trick myself into getting exercise unintentionally while doing something else that I do find interesting, such as going on walks to explore a neighborhood or playing a video game that involves physical activity like Dance Dance Revolution. If it’s too hot outside, find a large indoor area like a mall to walk around in. Maybe listen to podcasts or audiobooks while walking. There are a ton of free audiobooks available online, such as Llibrivox recordings.
Because AOC gave them half a $billion to keep doing so.
First, AOC voted against the bill. She voted against giving them any funding.
Second, even if she had voted in favor of the bill, she’s not the only member of Congress, so dumping sole blame on her wouldn’t even make sense if the false claims were true.
But yes, let’s eat our own over a political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist (MTG). Those primaries won’t lose themselves!
Oh no, a conservative boomer-grade insult! Should I get off your lawn too? Pull myself up by my own bootstraps? Invest in plastics?
What is being discussed here is that she voted for military aid by voting against MTG’s amendment that would have blocked $500M of military aid.
False. She voted against an amendment by MTG that had no chance of passing and voting for or against it was not voting for military aid for Israel. It was a waste of time and a political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist. The aid was provided by the bill already. Voting against the bill is how you vote against the aid to Israel. And that’s what she did. Discussing the amendment that had no chance of passing is like blaming someone for what they did in a dream you had about them.
Iron Dome protects Israel as it invades its neighbours and commits a genocide. It’s that simple.
No, it protects Israel regardless of whether Israel is committing genocide. But all of that is beside the point.
You are defending a vote against stripping iron dome funding,
I’m not defending the vote so much as pointing out that it was a meaningless vote. There’s nothing to defend or attack because the amendment is a non-issue. It was a meaningless political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist.
accusing others of being in favour of killing civilians
Favour? As in British or Australian English? You’re not an American voter? This seems like a pointless discussion then.
whilst trying to claim you also don’t support funding Israel.
I don’t support funding for Israel. It’s an apartheid state and has committed genocidal war crimes.
You can’t have it both ways.
You can if you see the nuance and not just look at everything like it’s just so simple based on your first gut reaction.
You support killing of civilians with your own stupid fucking rhetoric,
No, I don’t. Quote me where I said I want civilians killed.
but you want to dance around the issue and pretend you aren’t doing what you are in fact doing.
You’re getting caught up in side issues. The issue is AOC voted against funding genocide in Israel. People are claiming she funded genocide by Israel. That is a provably false claim. It is a lie. Arguing over the amendment vote that didn’t matter is a distraction.
You are genuinely a fucking moron. I said nothing about Dresden or dropping nukes.
You were discussing the deaths of civilians. Those are historical events relevant to that discussion. Also, there’s no need for the ad hominems and name-calling.
You are literally advocating for sending AA guns to Hitler by equating and reducing all forms of military response as being one and the same as mass murder of civilians to suggest it’s legitimate to support funding for the Iron Dome as “defensive”.
I’m literally not. I was responding to your meaningless points that don’t matter because you brought them up, but you haven’t thought through all the implications. AA guns shoot down planes that have human beings in them. They aren’t the same as missiles that only shoot down other missiles.
All of these discussions about AA guns and Russian civilians are just bad analogies that ignore the context and the nuance. We can continue to discuss them if you like, but they have no bearing on whether the amendment vote was ever possibly going to have any functional or practical effect whatsoever.
If MTG brought up an amendment that said everyone gets to live forever and AOC voted against it, would you claim AOC is pro-death or would you recognize that MTG’s proposal was a useless measure that shouldn’t be taken seriously?
But honestly, I don’t care. If you’re not an American voter, as I suspect you aren’t, there’s no value in convincing you of anything.
It’s a literal fact. She voted nay on the bill. You’ve literally posted screenshots of her post citing the voting record. You keep pretending that everything you reference and link to says something different than it actually says.
You did. Are you not tracking the thread?
That AOC didn’t vote for funding genocide, a fact you continue to ignore.
That’s what ranked choice voting can get you.