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The January 6th insurrection of 2020 was orchestrated and led by Donald Trump. Several nobodies have been charged and imprisoned over their miniscule contributions to the attack on our government. But the ringleader, the orchestrator, the figurehead behind it all faced no charges, no consequences, and was just reappointed to the highest office in the land. We don’t need Luigi to see that there is no justice inherent in the system. Justice is blind (to the misdeeds of the wealthy).
So you’re saying Luigi’s attorney should build his case around Luigi’s massive wealth? /joke
Crank it up to dozens of CEOs. Apparently if it’s normal, it’s not a problem
The law isn’t about morality or social good or promoting the general order; it’s about power and who wields it. The law is fundamentally a vehicle through which those who stand atop social hierarchies can command, exploit, and do violence to those less powerful. A CEO can kill tens of thousands of Americans every year with a pen and that isn’t murder: a coal company can poison generations and that isn’t murder: a police department can force homeless people to flee from place to place until they die from exposure and that isn’t murder. The law exists to protect and promote the interests of the powerful, because that is what legal systems are designed to do.
And that’s why we fight back where we can and weaponize what we can; that’s why we use jury nullification in cases like these.
It wasn’t Luigi.
Can confirm, was playing couch split screen Madden with him all night. We drank a few beers and he crashed in the spare room
…and believe you me your honor, I am a light sleeper and always wake up when the front door opens and closes in this apartment.
(Verse 1) When the kids hit the floor, but they ask us for more, That’s Amer’ca. When the lives of the poor are ignored by the law, That’s Amer’ca.
(Chorus) Watch them plead, watch them die, while the courts close an eye, That’s Amer’ca. If the rich man falls, then the gallows will call, That’s Amer’ca.
(Verse 2) You can slaughter a class, and they’ll let it all pass, That’s Amer’ca. But for one CEO, they’ll demand death row, That’s Amer’ca.
(Chorus) Where the guilty walk free, and the children just bleed, That’s Amer’ca. If your crime’s against power, you’re gone in an hour, That’s Amer’ca.
(Bridge) It’s a system of lies where the powerless die, And their screams hit the sky, unanswered, denied, That’s Amer’ca.
(Outro) So remember the game, it’s a broken refrain, That’s Amer’ca. When a life’s worth is weighed by the dollars displayed, That’s Amer’ca.
Mom and dad and apple pie, baseball games and picknicks in July…
They’re letting us know what hurts them. I wanna hear their moans more!
Source for anyone interested. I was initially confused since New York got rid of the death penalty decades ago, but it’s from a new federal charge I hadn’t seen yet.
As far as I can find they haven’t officially said they’re pursuing the death penalty for this charge just that this charge is eligible for it. I see no other reason for it though.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/dec/19/luigi-mangione-eligible-death-penalty-new-federal-/
Not to discredit the opinion, but don’t most school shooters (if not all -I don’t really pay attention) get killed on site and also have a personal grievance rather than just manipulation by media and statistics? Mangione seemed poised to become a serial killer. If he’s free’d, it tells society it’s ok to go around killing allegedly bad people (and ~20% of us are incredibly gullible conspiracy theorists -percent will be higher on certain sites on the internet as opposed to real life).
We also have to wonder how much more effective long term Mangione could have been alive and free.
No, they don’t. And I’m not sure why you think that he planned to continue killing, unless you know something we don’t.
Was he an idiot? Why would he have been found with the murder weapon and a manifesto? If I were out to kill one person, both of those would be the first things I’d get rid of.
Ok, maybe I can agree that he was an idiot.
edit: yes! The fact that he was found with those can lead to different / harsher charges.
He killed a serial killer. And killing multiple serial killers is a societal good (as long as the state isn’t the one doing the killing).
Denying people certain services does not equate to murder.
Should I kill a CEO for approving VIOXX which caused heart disease, intense abdominal pain, and GERD? -How about the doctor for prescribing it over an extremely minor issue? -Then there’s the subsequent prescription ant-acids that can cause stomach cancer. -What about their responsibility when lemon water with cayenne worked as good or better?
When I tore rotator cuffs, I was denied surgery from the insurance company because they were only up to 40% tears. -I recovered for the most part and am glad I didn’t get the risky surgery.
I was told I needed a hernia operatation (umbilical). Other people got it and ended up needing follow up surgery. Every surgery is a risk of your life.
So without knowing specifics (I have yet to see any among all this nonsense), I’m not supporting blatant killing which is what Mangione did. -Or show me how the CEO was directly responsible without resorting to propaganda (which statistics typically are).
When it comes to denying claims, multiple reports suggest that UHC, which is the country’s largest health insurer and serves some 50 million people, is an industry leader, with a rate nearly double the industry average. A recent Senate report slammed the company for denying nursing care to patients recovering from falls and strokes on its Medicare Advantage plans, and it currently faces a class action lawsuit for its use of AI algorithms to automatically refuse payment.
Statistics are used for propaganda and lawsuits are not guilty verdicts. Without sitting in that courtroom, we shouldn’t be acting like jurors.
Here’s the thing: I specifically selected a passage which had three different types of evidence (the whole article has more) because you wanted specifics but not statistics. So given that, was the senate report convincing?
If not, please think about what sort of information you might want to support the concept that the CEO was culpable. Personally I would look for statistics in this type of situation and simply evaluate them myself to see if they are misleading, because statistics seem like the only way to separate one CEO from another.
If there’s not a type of evidence that would work, you’re not holding a neutral position.
this is who you’re defending.
You don’t even know to source your propaganda. For all we know, it’s The Onion or The National Enquirer.
-Maybe stay out of the debate on it?
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https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/slain-healthcare-ceos-life-airbrushed
A prankster? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein
In July 2019, Klippenstein was covered in the media after a Twitter incident in which he was retweeted by Iowa Congressman Steve King just before changing his Twitter display name to “Steve King is a white supremacist”.[45][46][47] In March 2021, Klippenstein pranked author Naomi Wolf by recommending she tweet an image of a fabricated anti-vaxxer quotation paired with a picture of American pornography actor Johnny Sins.[48]
On Memorial Day 2021, Klippenstein tricked political commentators Dinesh D’Souza and Matt Schlapp, as well as Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz, into retweeting a photograph of John F. Kennedy’s assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, whom Klippenstein claimed was his veteran grandfather.[49] After being retweeted by Gaetz, Klippenstein changed his display name on Twitter to be “matt gaetz is a pedo”. Gaetz later deleted his retweet.[50][51]
People keep parroting this statement. I’m so confused because it does not hold up to any scrutiny.
If you think for 5 seconds, school shooters aren’t charged with the death penalty because they overwhelmingly kill themselves or die during the shooting. They are also usually children, which might get them more lenient sentences.
This type of surface level logic just makes the supporting side look bad. There are far better comparisons to draw from
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Lol, walk me to the door on this one:
So you are arguing that because the majority of people that commit this horrific crime are so encumbered by depravity that they kill themselves to avoid facing justice or are too SYMPATHETICALLY VULNERABLE, the proportion of shooters that ever face justice is already very low? Even accepting your argument (assuming that you believe school shooters who face justice are sentenced appropriately), we should see nearly every shooter who faces justice getting the death penalty…
But we don’t. You would be hard-pressed to find any references to school shooters that get sentenced with the death penalty because of how infrequent it is - child or not 🙄.
My man, get some fucking perspective. How did you put it, surface level logic? You know a lot about that, eh?
we should see nearly every shooter who faces justice getting the death penalty
I’m not sure what you mean by this, is this what you believe? I should add that the death penalty is rare to end up being sentenced and that it isn’t justified in every case as well.
I’m saying that the death penalty is already rare, then you need to be at least 18, you need to survive the shooting, and then you need to have a jury mostly unanimously agree to sentence you
Also it’s not like Mangione has been sentenced with the death penalty, these articles are reacting to the possibility of facing charges that could lead to the death penalty, which has been applicable for any other first-degree murder cases, for example killing a single person during a bank robbery
I’m just saying that the comparison is pointless. Complain about him receiving federal charges unusually, sure. But doing this “whataboutism” and referencing school shooters vs the UHC shooter is not well-founded
How many school shooters have been charged with terrorism?
Exactly, complain about the terrorism charge, not the red herring that is "he has the possibility of potentially being charged with the death penalty (as compared to a random other type of shooting?), when that’s something that is a blanket standard possibility for federal murder – A bank robber is probably not as evil as some mass shooters, but one is more eligible for the death penalty, while the mass shooter depends on the state they’re in.
The addition of federal murder and stalking charges is critical. The fact that he will have to be trailed twice for one murder seems excessive
It’s because the elite got afraid and they need to set an example now so that the masses don’t get stupit ideas.
So they’re going to make a martyr instead?
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Exactly! They’re trying to stop the revolution before it has a chance to start.
