Hey everyone, I was entertaining the thought of going away from owning a smart phone.
I already have a modded ipod classic that I use as my main music player.
I also know how to use a paper map.
I also have the Microsoft authentication app for work (I could just use my phone on wifi mode for this)
The last issue I have is WhatsApp where I communicate with friends and family around the world.
Is there a way to use WhatsApp on a non-smart phone? Or should I just buy a pixel and install a secure rom?
What is your goal in not owning a smartphone?
I think with 2fa, qr codes, talking with family, and emergency services it’s not reasonable to not have a phone. Instead of purchasing a device why not just turn it off and put it away when you’re not using it?
Your maps and ipod have already showed you these are just tools. Continue down that route.
BTW, this post is so close to my own recent questions I thought I had posted it, lol. Share your modded ipod over at c/ipod , trying to start a little community
Is the community this one? [email protected]
2fa, qr codes, talking with family, and emergency services
I might add maps to that list. Paper maps work for larger distances, but tend to be out of date for anything local
It’s really small! I am the new mod, trying to recreate the nice community that was on Reddit :)
Addiction is a tough thing… Hard just to out it down.
And price.
When I go just walk my dog, I almost never take the smartphone with me. I always did that. Later I just bought a cheap dumb phone for 10 bucks, just in case. I always have that on me now.
So yeah, trying to not break something more expensive. Plus it’s far more reliable than any smartphone. It just works, no stuttering, no crashes, buttons rather than touchscreen, the alarm app doesn’t get
killedoptimized… Though it has the same problem as every single modern phone I get: the minimum headphone jack volume is way too loud. I wanted to use it for music, but that’s a no-go. There’s no equalizer to tune it down.A cheap solution that might solve your volume problem is to add on an adapter that features a volume rocker dial. You can plug that into your phone and then plug your headphones into that adapter.
Something like the below screenshot. Hopefully it won’t muddy audio quality, so check this out and see if it’s something you can give a go.
Almost all of these things can be done from a computer, siting in comfort at home. And some of them, i.e. communication, are even more pleasant that way. The supposed convenience of the mobile form factor is mainly a function of habit. I speak from experience, having mostly kicked that habit.
The “emergency” argument is particularly tiring BS IMO. Somehow we managed for all of history until basically yesterday without this functionality and got by just fine.
The fact that technology exists is not in itself a reason to adopt it. If only we would learn this lesson at last. Rant over.
I don’t know man, I’m often out and about when I need to communicate to people.
I find it rather convenient to not have to find a library or an Internet-cafe, especially seeing my city doesn’t have any anymore probably.
And I remember living without a mobile before they came along. There’s a certain romantic novelty in agreeing to meet under x sign in y place at x hour. But it wears off fast, and if you’re running a bit late or want to reschedule something on the fly? Good luck without a mobile of any sort, smart or not.
want to reschedule something on the fly
Yeah it certainly got easier to be late and generally not keep commitments, that’s for sure.
I do agree that communication when out and about is a genuine killer feature. It’s was the original use case after all. But doomscrolling social media, or banking, or shopping, or playing dumb games, or most of the other things I watch people doing in public - personally I am never going to buy the argument that this is about “convenience”. To me it’s pretty obvious that it’s just addiction and irrational social contagion.
“Not keep commitments”.
In what sort of a life do you live that nothing surprising ever happens or you interact with no-one because you’d know people are unpredictable.
I watch people doing in public - personally I am never going to buy the argument that this is about "convenience
I’m use to drive a taxi for several years. When I started, GPS was still rather shit. (I usually preferred the street dictionary.) And when I was a kid, my dad had NMT phones in his cars.
You might not have any engagements that require any sort of fluidity, but other people sure do. For instance I’m driving someone from place a to place b. During the ride, they suddenly realise they need something from a shop. That’s an extra 10 min now that I could not predict, making me possibly late for the next ride, depending on where and when it’s from. Even with mobiles, it was hard to actually tell people times with accuracy more than a ±30 min after I had a fare or two in queue.
So yeah. Modern gps the ability for people to see how long it’ll be before you’re at their place has really made it more convenient. Not to mention that this convenience includes card payments. Because before you’d have to have a credit card and manually run it through the receipt labeler thingy. ka-chunk
To me it’s pretty obvious that it’s just addiction and irrational social contagion.
To me it’s pretty obvious you’re just being reductive because it’s not purely positives, like with anything in the real world.
If you don’t focus on high-schoolers and instead look at 30+ people going about their day, I’m sure it’s not “just doomscrolling and addiction”.
Hell, imagine if covid had hit 25 years earlier. The fuck would’ve we been doing? Working from home like everyone did would not have been possible. But it’s not like chilling at home while working is convenient, right?
By downvoting my comment you’re saying you don’t care what I have to say. So that’s the end of this debate. Good night.
You tried implying that I can’t keep a schedule, instead of addressing the earlier argument. Someone clearly downvoted that. It wasn’t me.
“I have no responses to your arguments so I’m gonna use some ridiculous bullshit excuse to leave while pretending my rhetoric wasn’t completely proved wrong”
Were you even conscious before mobile phones became a thing?
Well if it wasn’t you then I apologize.
Yes I was about 20 when mobiles took off. But my “rhetoric” wasn’t proved wrong or right. It was just my perspective. You can have yours too and that’s fine.
Hell, imagine if covid had hit 25 years earlier. The fuck would’ve we been doing?
playing computer games. organizing the CD collection. watching TV shows. mastering a skill like programming or image editing on the computer system at hand. masturbating to VHS porn. having long, undisturbed landline conversations. reading books.
Apparently you didn’t have a job 25 years ago?
Not “we” as in “oh god whatever will I do with my personal free time” but “we” as in “the global economy”. Moving from offices to homes didn’t affect pretty much anything now, as all work is done on computers, papers aren’t much of thing, everyone has a computer at home and connections are good.
25 years ago maybe one in four families had a shitty computer which wouldn’t be able to run smooth 480 video let alone send or receive any meaningful data aside from some text documents through email
it was a kitchen job at that time and with the shutdown in place i would have had “personal free time”.
i was involved with a computer scene some years earlier than that. neither were videos or emails a use-case at the time, yet you could have playful and educating interactions with the available devices.
Instead of purchasing a device why not just turn it off and put it away when you’re not using it?
Easier said than done. We’re emotionally connected to these devices and the freedoms they seem to provide
You must not have been born in the 70s or 80s. It’s really easy. Step 1, replace your smart phone with a flip phone. This concludes all your steps.
I’m born in that era, and where I live, I must authorize bank transactions via app, pay parking tickets through an app, use an app for public transport, and need to scan a QR code that’s changing every 90 seconds to access my gym.
There is no workaround for the parking app, other than inconveniencing myself and staying at malls exclusively. The gym doesn’t have an alternative either. I could surely switch, but that’s the only option.
For banking, sure, I could do stuff over the counter like some octogenarian, wasting time getting there and waiting in line. That changes a 20 second procedure into a minimum 1h long one, provided whatever I’m trying to pay happens during service hours of my bank. No thanks.
Public transport would be the easiest, though that only applies for subways and trains where counters and vending machines exist. At bus stops we don’t have those, and drivers aren’t selling tickets anymore. You must board with a valid ticket, which usually only works through an app, unless you have a monthly ticket that can still be bought as a paper pass.
Not so easy for someone who was born and raised in a time and place where key services all rely on smartphones (especially the WhatsApp for family communications)
Tell the family to stop being cheap bastards and to pay their damn cell phone bills already, so that you don’t have to keep using that Meta-owned crap.
You have to ask yourself: what can you actually get away with.
If you’re techy, get a Linux phone. I assume there’s a WhatsApp client, but if not you could bridge to Matrix.
Then you’ll have the option to use a phone, without the addictive qualities of Android/iOS.
Your next best will be GrapheneOS. By default, no Google, so no notifications at all. But that can be turned on and enabled if needed.
There are kaios phones, which are basically very weak smartphones (like 512 mb of ram weak) that run kaios, which is android. They perform poorly enough that you wouldn’t want to use for social media, and you can run whatsapp on them
Correction: KaiOS is a Linux distro that only runs web apps. It descends from the botched Firefox OS project and uses Firefox’s browser engine.
You’re probably right, I’ve only used old nokias with symbian, so I wouldn’t know.
KaiOS is more like “Firefox OS” than Android, but otherwise, yes.
I did a 30 day dumbphone challenge a few months ago. Was originally going to use a Nokia with KaiOS but wanted to be able to re-purpose it afterward so I went with an Android-powered flip phone.
Android-powered flip phone
That doesn’t quite sound as a dumbphone to me.
I disabled pretty much everything and dumbed it down for the 30 days to nothing more than what a modern “dumb” phone would do.
I had the exact same Problem.
You need an Android Emulator for your PC, since Whatsapp for desktop always needs to be paired with a phone, then install Whatsapp Business. The Business Version lets you sign up with a landline number. Youll geht a call with the code read to you, and youre done.
If you already have a number, and are planing to keep it, you can just use that, and read the code from your phone.
If you decide to use a desktop app or the web version instead, you will have to open Whatsapp on your phone once every two weeks or it will unpair.
You could always ask for their address and use mail.
Everyone has an email address. Just saying.
A 2000s Garmin GPS with OSM is neat and durable like a Nokia. Still use it even though I do keep my smartphone:
What are you looking to get out of your dumb phone experience?
It sounds like you want/need the smart phone part, but not the doom scroll and spyware part.
For that I offer the following advice;
Step 1 is to delete all unnecessary apps. Keep 1 or 2 time killers, preferably puzzle games or something not related to endless scrolling, that you can start/stop anytime.
If you have one, make an old phone your “entertainment” device. This is for things like Lemmy and whatever else you do fun/pass time. Leave it the bathroom or at your spot to relax. This way you can get your internet fix, but it doesn’t follow you throughout the day.
Step 2 is to make sure you set your notifications right, only communication from actual people (text/call) and important stuff like work/bank emails should make noise. Everything else can shove off.
On the spyware front, Pixel+Graphine OS is a good option, it does works with MS authenticator.
Is there a way to use WhatsApp on a non-smart phone?
WhatsApp has a browser app you can use, turning it into something more like an instant messenger akin to Skype while you’re on a computer. Not sure if you need a phone to manage the account or not, but you could keep a cheapo burner phone for situations like that and then just toss it in a drawer and ignore it until you need to make changes again.
What is it about a smart phone that you don’t want/like?
I feel like these devices are too annoying. For example, I dissabled notifications for almost all apps, but a couple of updates later, and the notifications are back (even though the setting is still dissabled), and I feel like when these apps are developed, they want to bundle critical notifications with non-critial ones (ie. Do you want a notification when someone breaks into your house AND when our sales team wants to upsell you something? Or neither?). Then there’s the data privacy aspect.
A minimalistic custom rom might fix some of those issues for you.
Godspeed!
You didn’t specify your reasoning for getting away from smartphones. Cost or to escape the trappings? Other? I was thinking you could hang on to your smartphone and just delete the nonessential stuff.
Matrix has a WhatsApp bridge and an SMS bridge. Perhaps it’s possible to combine these for a WhatsApp <> SMS bridge? I don’t know if these bridges can work in this way. I’m just aware of their existence. Even if it does work, I imagine it’d be pretty suboptimal. But it’s potentially an option.
Or use matrix on the computer
Check out the Light Phone. It only has a handful of functions. Talk, text, directions, music, notes, and a camera.
