Wouldn’t encouraging cession mean MTG is now encouraging active rebellion against the United States? And wouldn’t that make her ineligible to hold office under the 14th amendment?
Let’s get that lawsuit roll’in.
You would think, but this is the second time she’s suggested secession (admittedly she wasn’t as blatant the first time) and nothing was done. I doubt anything will be done this time either. It wasn’t even a major headline.
People are talking more and more about whether the 14th amendment bars Trump from running for president. If that ends up happening I think it’ll end up being applied to other insurrectionist politicians.
Voicing an opinion, especially a political one, is pretty heavily protected. I think there would need to be some other crime being committed (e.g. actually taking up arms).
Good question No, if she only advocates for amending the constitution. Yes, if she tells people to take up arns
Agreed, and for the rest of these dumb asses:
Secession isn’t always rebellious. See Czechoslovakia’s peaceful split as an example.
And how do you think the Supreme Court would rule on that case?
Alternative title: Margarine Trailer Queen endorses treason.
Margarine Failure Gangrene got a face like leathery treason.
And then blue states can stop funding red states and the red states will crumble even further.
Nine of the ten states that get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least… can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they’re red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140304131138/http://fuckthesouth.com/
We really need to do this. Leave them to their own devices and let them reap the results of their politics instead of shielding them.
The 14th amendment prohibits her from serving in congress. Period. Unequivocally. Are we going to start enforcing laws or not?
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The first amendment lets her state a political opinion though.
I didn’t say she can’t state an opinion. I said she can’t serve in congress.
Breaking News: MTG says controversial shit to stay in the news cycle.
Sure, but at what point do we say “this is treason” and do something about it?
We look at the definition of treason in the Constitution, conclude that unless we can prove she’s acting on behalf of a foreign power, it isn’t treason, call it sedition, which it clearly IS, and go from there.
Fine. When is that going to happen?
Clearly eh?
“Sedition usually involves actually conspiring to disrupt the legal operation of the government and is beyond expression of an opinion or protesting government policy.”
I love when liberals just want to throw out the first amendment…
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As an elected official she is allowed a political opinion. Even an unpopular one. The first amendment protections for political speech are very strong.
She needs to have done something or supported something in furtherance of that goal.
And everyone else is allowed their opinions too. And the idea that someone who wants to dissolve the country shouldn’t be in Congress doesn’t seem like it should be that controversial.
I think that depends on how the cases against 45 go.
Let’s do a quick thought experiment and say there was an actual legal framework for states to leave the union. How do Republicans think that would go? Under no circumstances would any major city in the south go along with leaving. Republicans states are far more purple than elections would suggest due to voter suppression, election fraud, and gerrymandering. So in reality the confederate areas would just be poor rural areas. Add in the fact that the US holds the keys to all the military equipment and weapons, the confederate areas would turn into a lawless hell scape over night. And without nuclear weapons and no international agreements for defense, I’m sure Mexico and Cuba would love to reclaim some of their lost territory.
I can go on. But the main reason these idiots keep bringing this up is to suggest violence into getting their way. It’s not even a viable option to even consider for them. The situation I made is a best case scenario for them to. If they tried to violently leave the union it would be couple million good old boys in trucks up against jets and tanks.
I might be in the minority, but I say let 'em go: provided they take a proportional amount of the US debt with them, and give back all the military assets that the rest of the country bought. They can re-staff all those military bases they named after Confederates on their own dime, while paying back debt and funding their own Social Security.
I bet once they actually get presented the budget for their ideas, all of a sudden they decide they like the Blue states (and their tax base) a lot more than they used to.
I fully agree, fuck em. What do they contribute, cotton? I’m willing to pay higher prices for imported goods to get rid of those racist pricks once and for all.
We’d have to move Kennedy Space Center to Guam or something. There’s a good, nonpolitical reason it’s in Florida.
I’m surprised I had to scroll this far to find this top level comment I thought I was going to have to make myself. Fuck them. Let them secede. Good luck lol they’ll need it.
Proportional in terms of population?
The only reason I’m not an advocate for this is because this would mean abandoning LGBT people, minorities, and women in red states.
I live in Texas, and I’d favor this heavily only if the US allowed us non-crazies out first, gave us refugee status and then some financial support to those of us who need it to get started again in a sane state. Getting a new job + place to live is hard.
Then all the hateful assholes can go live in Bigotriopia all they want without us pesky compassionate types.
Bye Texas! Bye Florida! Bye Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi! I’m sure y’all’ll get a few years to live in your Happy Hatred before the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean swallows y’all up!
I feel pretty certain they’d detain women, they are trying to force procreation atm.
No lie, that’s actually my biggest fear. I’d have never moved to Texas if Uncle Sam didn’t make me, and I have no idea how long the military will keep me stationed here.
It’s one of those things that I have to tamp down on my anxiety brain, otherwise I can truly envision a genuine Handmaid’s tale or Mad Max scenario, where women are just constantly impregnated.
Do I think it’s likely? No. But anxiety doesn’t gaf about likelihood 😭
I’m not technically past child rearing age, but I’m in my mid-30s so I’m pretty goddamned close to it. I did change my residence to Texas last year, specifically to vote in the elections, and I was a Deputy Registrar so I did voter drives to register others to vote…but we saw how well that worked out last fall.
I’m fighting while I’m stuck here, but the second that the military moves me, I’m out. Changing my state of residence. Removing all ties to Texas. Etc.
When Abbott was voted in again, I had to try very hard to not be like "“Whelp. Fuck you Texas. You get what you voted for.”
Fist bump to a fellow election volunteer! Ahhhgreed, being given visuals of the worst case scenario on the tv fuels “what ifs” anxiety brain! I wish us all luck and spirit
Only problems are kids and that I fear that they’d do their best to keep some people from leaving.
There’ll always be new kids, many who will be minorities (particularly, even the biggotedest biggot can have an LGBT kid). We can’t do a lot to protect them if they’re in different countries. Though it’s admittedly questionable if we’re able to protect them that much today. There certainly are a lot of blatantly fascist laws being struck down by courts, at the very least.
And where women are concerned, I worry that if enough people left, these Y’allqaeda would eventually panic and try to restrict them. I mean, controlling women is one of their favourite pastimes and they love to view women as nothing more than baby factories. I wouldn’t put it past them to at least try to prevent people from leaving. There’s also things like how they clearly turn their heads away from migrant workers (while at the same time being unbelievably racist towards them). They seem to recognize that their economy depends on underpaid, exploited workers and I fear what they’d do when they recognize that.
I thank you sincerely as a woman in a red state with some blue dots. I’m past raising kids and have a good job, I truly feel I am of more use here for the time being. I’m the only one makng sure several people know that there are differing view points from theirs. With all the cognative dissonance I can stand and a kind delivery, they get a chance to understand what “all these crazy libruls” are on about. I have an Aunt and cousins that live in mtg district, but they’ve been beyond my scope since Obama. I’ve decided on my qualifiers for when I’d leave but I have people here that would need me and that I want to be here for. I guess we’ll all just see right? Cheers
I’ve never understood this argument. If the Republicans take the presidency in 2024 and there’s no significant response, all of those people will experience the same “abandonment”, only they’ll have nowhere to go.
I would rent a bus and start picking people up. I know it’s not that simple, but I’m sure we could figure it out
Why people are favoring secession of states over literal election results? Do you think Texas and Florida or Idaho or whatever is filled with republicans? Have you ever looked up the popular vote on these states?
If we lived in a majority rule system, that would matter. Unfortunately…
It’s almost as if she has no interest in preserving the strength of our union. I wonder who that really benefits…
Cut off from the federal teat that they suck on, they wouldn’t last a month.
They would pull a north Korea, threatening to attack unless the US sends them food, money, fuel, cars, doctors and Desaster relief after the seasonal climate change Desasters…
They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. Just send the world’s largest military around their border. That’s where it backfires for red states
It’s not around inside, they won’t get to keep military bases in their states if they seced, a second Confederacy would be occupied from the moment they began.
This woman needs to secede from my internet.
She should still be raving and slurring her words relatively harmlessly in some dive bar, but nooooooo…Georgia had to go and get her elected.
Russian asset doing russian asset things
yessss. do it. pleeeeease peel off some republican senate seats
She will say anything to stay in the news. Her big mouth, and the media’s reporting on it, is the only way she remains relevant.
Apparently she’s fighting with other members of the house over whose idea it was to (and fail at) impeach Biden. She peaked in middle school.
PLEASE DO! And say goodbye to all your federal benefits. Good riddance.
