• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    156
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 months ago

    I feel like “the right gets a big showing early on but ends up losing” is a regular feature of modern French elections. It seems like it’s happened multiple times in my lifetime.

    • jagermo@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      132
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 months ago

      Still, they are way too cocky all over the world. But great work, France. Thank you

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        42
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        I definitely wouldn’t extrapolate anything about the rest of the world from this. I just remember “Le Pen is going to be the next president of France” being said more than once in my lifetime.

        • NegativeNull@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          54
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 months ago

          Conservatives just lost the UK in a big way. France on course to do the same (not to the same extent). Tons of money (and Russian manipulation) are pushing hard for far-right politics, but they keep losing. Remember, abortion has won every time it’s on the ballot since Roe was overturned. I’m still cautiously optimistic about the US’s chances

          • Billiam@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            31
            ·
            4 months ago

            While I agree with you in general, it’s the electoral college that’s a uniquely American fuckery I worry about. France and the UK don’t have to worry about the majority vote being the losers.

            • Corngood@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              21
              ·
              4 months ago

              There are so many levels of fuckery in the American system. It goes all the way up to just asking the supreme court (who you appointed) to please let you win.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            22
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            4 months ago

            You are more optimistic than I am, but I hope you’re right. At this point, my hope is that at least Democrats will retain the congressional power to do something about a Trump regime I am seeing as an increasing inevitability.

            • NegativeNull@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              15
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              4 months ago

              Don’t get me wrong, I’m still terrified, but I think the chances are better than the media is portraying currently.

              • froggers@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                16
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                Don’t forget that the media’s main goal is profit. How can they make sure to make more and more profit? By constantly showing you stuff that keeps you in fear and in turn makes you want to know everything that’s happening. The only way to know the current events? Watch our media segments, read our newspaper, read our website etc. (also see 24/7 news cycle)

                • scarabic@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  ·
                  4 months ago

                  What you said is true and in addition to that we should consider that the responsible thing to do in the face of fascism is raise the alarm. Not crying panic over far right politicians and their nightmare policy fantasies would just normalize them and help bring those nightmares about.

                  So while there is a fairly typical “follow the money” argument to be made here, alarmism over fascist ideologies is also just good activism and responsible citizenry.

        • mad_asshatter@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 months ago

          “The French are socialist cowards who don’t know shit but actually get off their asses to protest…”

          – 'Muricans

    • Jayjader@jlai.lu
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      63
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      The background trend, unfortunately, is of the far right slowly but surely gaining votes. We pushed them back to third place today, but they still almost doubled the number of representatives they’ll be sending to parliament (from 89 to the projected ~130 for today’s elections).

      • In 2002, Jacques Chirac won against the far right with 82% (to the far right’s 18%).
      • In 2017, Macron won against the far right with 66% (to the far right’s 34%).
      • In 2022, Macron won against the far right with 58% (to the far right’s 41%).

      IMO it’s largely a consequence of the center-left and center-right (Hollande, Macron) completely abandoning the working class, and demonizing the left whilst cozying up to the far-right (mostly Macron, though Hollande definitely slid right over his term).

      • froggers@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        36
        ·
        4 months ago

        IMO it’s largely a consequence of the center-left and center-right (Hollande, Macron) completely abandoning the working class, and demonizing the left whilst cozying up to the far-right (mostly Macron, though Hollande definitely slid right over his term).

        A tale as old as time.

      • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        IMO it’s largely a consequence of the center-left and center-right (Hollande, Macron) completely abandoning the working class, and demonizing the left whilst cozying up to the far-right (mostly Macron, though Hollande definitely slid right over his term).

        While i am no fan of Hollande and establishment socialism, I feel like he’s really the butt of the joke here. Whatever we do, we always seem to punch left.

        He was president for 5 years, yeah it was limp-dicked as fuck and it veered right in mid-course, but if you remember, he was basically elected on a platform of not being Sarkozy. The people were so KOed by his mandate that Hollande’s whole angle was to be the “back to normal” president. And that’s a promise he kind of kept, if you look at his time, sandwiched between two hyper-mediatic hard-right presidents, well yeah it felt like the kind of politics our parents talked about. Not great politics, just normal not-sadistic politics.

      • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        30
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        The far right is making a huge push around the world in recent years. Every time populations resist their influence is a giant win for humanity and the future.

      • scarabic@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        4 months ago

        I believe we have it in us but this Democratic Party is a finely oiled machine designed to blunt our progress, not lead it. Goddamn Biden said in the beginning that he wouldn’t seek reelection and he should have stuck to that. Now he’s in danger of actually losing to Shitstain L’Orange.

    • Contravariant@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      4 months ago

      In their presidential elections at least it’s pretty much by design. It happens because they have 2 rounds.

      The first round the far-right option gets a relatively large amount of votes. Then the round after only 2 options remain, so anyone who doesn’t want the far-right option just votes for the only other option. Not sure what happens in general elections, but presumably it’s somewhat similar because there’s still 2 rounds.

      As far as election systems go it has quite a lot of obvious flaws, but it’s perhaps not quite as bad as first past the post. At least it makes the tactical voting a bit more straightforward.