The Philippine military chief demanded Wednesday that China return rifles and other equipment seized by the Chinese coast guard in a disputed shoal and pay for damage in an assault he likened to an act of piracy in the South China Sea.
The Chinese are pursuing a very weird passive aggressive strategy here that I do not at all understand.
“Surely if we spray water at the other boats and run our boats into them and jump on board the opposing ships with poking weapons like some kind of Maori tribesmen the rest of the world will get sick of it and go away and give us what we want i.e. full control of the South China Sea, without us having to actually start a war about it”
I really don’t understand. I can’t even say for sure it is a bad idea, because like I say I just don’t understand, but it seems unlikely that it’s going to produce the impact that they seem like they want it to produce.
imo, I think they’re playing the plausible deniability card.
They can always say they don’t know what is happening in the lower ranks. Once the other side raises arms, suddenly they’re going to play the self-defense card.
On the other side, they preach about how asians should support each other against the power and influences of the west.
They’re seeing what they can get away with. Or, and more likely, normalizing more and more aggression in pursuit of seeing what they can get away with.
It reminds me of this tradition. Especially this quote from a modern incident “Successfully counting coup disgraces your opponent. It’s a way of publicly shaming them. We believe that if you are shamed, you must admit defeat.” It makes me wonder how much of the motivation for the incidents is internal consumption. Acting aggresively, but in a carefully crafted way to avoid an escalated response. The message sent internally that the other side restrains themselaee not out of reason, but fear.
Acting aggresively, but in a carefully crafted way to avoid an escalated response. The message sent internally that the other side restrains themselaee not out of reason, but fear.
That actually might be it. We can’t look to people in our own government / own country like we’re anything other than the boss and everyone knows it, but also, we definitely don’t want to pick a massive fight with another nuclear armed power and our biggest trading partner for literally no reason at all. And so, let’s play this stupid fighter-plane-chicken game with them and spin it at home like we’re out there telling them what’s what.
IDK if I buy it. It sorta makes sense.
It’s hard to square that, though, with actually fucking up the sailors on Filipino ships in a way that seems like it should demand some kind of response. Maybe the orders were to just be pushy in a non-escalational way and things got out of hand on the ground in a way that for-real wasn’t intended?
Right, they’re pushing the boundaries as much as they can with plausible deniability, because they want the west to make the first move so they can point at it and go, “we were never hostile, they started it”
But they do this shit with the US too. Their fighter planes play the “I’m not touching you I’m not touching you” game with US aircraft right up until the point it turns into the “oh no I did touch you and now I’m dead and my airplane is falling apart in fiery chunks and your airplane is crippled what an exercise in futility that whole thing was” game.
Like I say, I won’t even say that that didn’t impact US policy in some way similar to what they wanted. I don’t know that it did but I don’t know that it didn’t. Overall my main reaction is just wtf are you guys doing why is your strategy like this.
(I do of course suspect that they will not try to play the firehoses and spear wielding game with the US Navy. Just some similar version of the same type of tactics.)
The Chinese are pursuing a very weird passive aggressive strategy here that I do not at all understand.
“Surely if we spray water at the other boats and run our boats into them and jump on board the opposing ships with poking weapons like some kind of Maori tribesmen the rest of the world will get sick of it and go away and give us what we want i.e. full control of the South China Sea, without us having to actually start a war about it”
I really don’t understand. I can’t even say for sure it is a bad idea, because like I say I just don’t understand, but it seems unlikely that it’s going to produce the impact that they seem like they want it to produce.
imo, I think they’re playing the plausible deniability card.
They can always say they don’t know what is happening in the lower ranks. Once the other side raises arms, suddenly they’re going to play the self-defense card.
On the other side, they preach about how asians should support each other against the power and influences of the west.
Ah yes, we’re all Asians and Chinese, one whole family so we should support each other! Except if you disagree with us, fuck you then.
Also conveniently forgetting thousands of years of Chinese imperialism and Han chauvinism.
Have you seen videos of the skirmishes at the Kashmiri border? It’s absurd, like something out of a bad alternate history movie.
I only have two ideas:
They’re seeing what they can get away with. Or, and more likely, normalizing more and more aggression in pursuit of seeing what they can get away with.
The tried and true Russia strategy. China learning well from neighbor.
It’s the “I’m not touching you” of international geopolitics. They’re doing everything they can think of, short of actual war.
It reminds me of this tradition. Especially this quote from a modern incident “Successfully counting coup disgraces your opponent. It’s a way of publicly shaming them. We believe that if you are shamed, you must admit defeat.” It makes me wonder how much of the motivation for the incidents is internal consumption. Acting aggresively, but in a carefully crafted way to avoid an escalated response. The message sent internally that the other side restrains themselaee not out of reason, but fear.
That actually might be it. We can’t look to people in our own government / own country like we’re anything other than the boss and everyone knows it, but also, we definitely don’t want to pick a massive fight with another nuclear armed power and our biggest trading partner for literally no reason at all. And so, let’s play this stupid fighter-plane-chicken game with them and spin it at home like we’re out there telling them what’s what.
IDK if I buy it. It sorta makes sense.
It’s hard to square that, though, with actually fucking up the sailors on Filipino ships in a way that seems like it should demand some kind of response. Maybe the orders were to just be pushy in a non-escalational way and things got out of hand on the ground in a way that for-real wasn’t intended?
Right, they’re pushing the boundaries as much as they can with plausible deniability, because they want the west to make the first move so they can point at it and go, “we were never hostile, they started it”
The impact as of right now is that everyone thinks they’re being absolute assholes about it.
Just waiting for them to try this with a US Navy Ship gonna be a bad day for the Chinese 😂
But they do this shit with the US too. Their fighter planes play the “I’m not touching you I’m not touching you” game with US aircraft right up until the point it turns into the “oh no I did touch you and now I’m dead and my airplane is falling apart in fiery chunks and your airplane is crippled what an exercise in futility that whole thing was” game.
Like I say, I won’t even say that that didn’t impact US policy in some way similar to what they wanted. I don’t know that it did but I don’t know that it didn’t. Overall my main reaction is just wtf are you guys doing why is your strategy like this.
(I do of course suspect that they will not try to play the firehoses and spear wielding game with the US Navy. Just some similar version of the same type of tactics.)