Many voters believe, with good reason, that none of this would have happened without Biden’s assent. Biden has continued to speak of Israel’s attack on Palestinian civilians using the absurd language of “self-defense”. He has insulted Jewish Americans and the memory of the Holocaust by invoking them to justify the slaughter. And though his White House repeatedly leaks that he is “privately” dismayed by Israel’s conduct of the war, he has done little to stop the flow of US money and guns that support it.
Even after the US state department issued a vexed and mealy-mouthed report on Israel’s conduct, which nevertheless concluded that it was reasonable to assess that Israel was in violation of international humanitarian law, the Biden administration has continued to fund these violations. That state department report was published on 10 May. The Biden administration told Congress that it intends to move forward with a $1bn arms sale to Israel. “OK, [Israel] likely broke the law, but not enough to change policy,” is how one reporter summarized the administration’s judgment. “So, what is the point of the report? I mean, in the simplest terms, what’s the point?”
Meanwhile, Biden has expressed public disdain for the Americans – many of whom he needs to vote for him – who have taken to protest on behalf of Palestinian lives. Speaking with evident approval of the violent police crackdowns against anti-genocide student demonstrations, he said coolly: “Dissent must never lead to disorder.”
Meanwhile, if you don’t vote for Biden:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1785491814226510333
“We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”
Learn to read, comprehend what you read, think about what you read, and then avoid saying stuff that gets you the exact opposite of what you want. FFS
The winner of the Presidential election in 2024 will either be Biden or Trump. Full stop.
Trump feels Israel isn’t being aggressive ENOUGH.
So you vote for Biden, who is maintaining the same Israeli policy as every other President for the last 76 years, or you throw away your vote and help elect Trump who thinks Gaza is a cancer that needs to be cleared out fast.
In all fairness though,
trump is known for saying whatever pops into his head, and his words are the wind
Biden has been saying for 50 years that he will always support Israel and nothing will ever change that He’s also not stupid enough to say what trump is saying.
But he very likely thinks the same, and this is one thing he won’t change his mind on.
There are a million reasons why Biden (and everyone else eligible to run for president) is better than trump.
But support of Israel and funding their genocide isn’t one of them. trump would want something in return, and might cut off all aid at a moments notice once he got what he wanted and ask for more.
I’m sure the guy Netanyahu named a settlement in the occupied Golan Heights after and who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, half of which is supposed to belong to Palestine will somehow support Israel less than Biden:
You know the article has words in it that aren’t in the headline?
And that if you actually care about Biden winning, you need to engage with these arguments or at least have the good sense to STFU for fear of alienating people even further?
There’s no need to engage with an argument that makes no sense.
Biden’s pro-Israel policy is the same policy we’ve had for 76 years.
Trump’s policy is “Gaza is a cancer, wipe them out fast”.
Those are your two choices. You do not have an alternative.
Choosing not to vote only helps Trump.
Voting 3rd party only helps Trump.US presidents have told Israel to cut the shit and stop or else multiple times in the past and Israel has listened. The same can and should be done here. Eisenhower did it, four did it, Reagan did it, and h w bush did it.
Trying to voter shame people when they feel so strongly about this really isn’t going to work or help you. I agree, Trump really should not be allowed to get into office, but at the same time you can’t act as if these voters don’t have a right to be angry. For these people, it goes further than just voting.
They really haven’t listened, and will continue not listening.
My favorite example was in the run up to the Iraq war. One of the excuses W. tried to float was that Iraq was in violation of 17 or 18 UN resolutions.
At the time, Israel was violating over 80 of them and it would have been more except for US veto power.
As long as the money keeps flowing, Israel doesn’t give two shits.
Choosing to treat anyone who thinks otherwise as too stupid to realise this is exactly why Trump might win. Please stop.
It’s like 2016 all over again. It’s fascinating how we learned absolutely nothing.
We’re fucked and there’s nothing we can do about it
I’ll vote for Biden, and do it proudly, but I’d never be so pathetic as to resort to whatever the fuck these grandstanding libs/Dems/definitely not progressives are doing when they try to “convince” people to support the candidate they support (read: try to feel morally superior for their vote) as they look down their noses at anyone that dares to ask, “Hey, did Clinton oppose gay marriage? Did she do enough to oppose the Iraq War when she was Secretary of State? Is it true she’s said some super racist shit in the past?”
If they realized this, they wouldn’t be saying Joe is engaging in genocide. ;)
And people refusing to acknowledge that Biden is better than Trump in every way is going to help Trump get elected as well. We’re not calling you stupid, we’re pointing out the facts on the ground and why your strategy results in more harm to the people you want to protect.
The only way we beat Trump is by coalescing the Democratic coalition. That’s going to take the politicians responding to voters needs AND the voters to show up and prevent GOP victories. Withholding your vote in November, regardless of what Biden does, results in progressive causes backsliding further and makes it harder if not impossible to gain control in the future. I want people to understand that voting is a strategic choice, not a moral one.
Either stupid or selfish take your pick.
There is zero reason to chase your vote. You will just move the goalposts. It’s like negotiating across the isle with the Republicans. All you’ll do is make compromises that will alienate your base, and then you’ll just pull the football at the last second.
I’m tired of all these “Biden needs to change to get MY vote”. The stakes are obvious. If you’re not on board to make the best of a bad situation, then your vote is already unobtainable.
You are negotiating in bad faith, and it’s obvious to everyone.
least have the good sense to STFU for fear of alienating people even further?
gee, you’re doing such a great job of that already…
How do you interpret the above? FFS.
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I wonder if this isn’t overblown propaganda. Personally, and I know this is just my experience, but I’ve never met a person who isn’t a Trump supporter who isn’t voting for Biden. I’m sure they exist, and I want to keep seeing stories like this to encourage Biden to do better, and scare moderates to make sure they show up in November.
Republicans vote for their candidate and against their opponents. Democrats historically only show up in support. Just look at the 2016 election.
And yet Biden keeps making it harder to support him. He’s been in politics for half a century. He has to know that Democratic turnout is depressed when they only have someone to vote against.
My far left friend wrote in Bernies name in 2016.
He did not play stupid games in 2020, and I suspect in 2024, though I haven’t talked to him about it.
As left as he is, he has known what another Trump presidency means since 2021 with no ambiguity. Anyone pretending otherwise at this point isn’t arguing in good faith.
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That’s exactly what’s going to happen.
Why show up when all that is going to happen is us being ignored?
Obediently voting for the least worst option means you eventually run out of good options. <- we are here
The conundrum is working out how you force those options to get better without accelerationists getting to test out their theories for real (again).
I would respectifully suggest that “shut the fuck up and vote” does not cut it.
I don’t think anyone is saying that. Don’t shut up, but do vote!
Third party for the win!
Ok, but how?
Is there an option on the ballot for President that would allow me to vote without violating my conscience?
There’s not now, nor will there ever be a perfect choice. Fact is that all US presidents have, to some extent, blood on their hands. Is the choice this year bad? Yes. But all previous presidents in recent times supplied arms to regimes like Saudi Arabia, Israel etc. In the past the US itself committed its own genocide on native Americans, interned Japanese, killed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan etc etc. And with all these atrocities, voting the lesser evil helped (a bit). Perfect is not for sale this year, nor will it ever be.
I’m not even asking for “perfect”.
I’d be entirely satisfied by “tolerable”, and genocide is nowhere near that.
Associating Joe Biden so closely with genocide demonstrates a lack of capacity for understanding nuance. Supporting Israel doesn’t automatically equate to supporting Netanyahu’s genocide in Gaza, but it does indicate support for the Israeli (and by extension, Jewish) right to exist. One can simultaneously protest the genocide in Gaza and support a friendly, cooperative Israel.
By sending them weapons to continue the genocidal actions?
Spotted the Zionist.
Demanding that people vote for the least worst option without any content other than sneering at them for apparently not realising that one of the options is worse, is doing exactly that.
It’s straw-manning the arguments of people who want (and desperately need) the Democrats to be better and are putting serious thought, time and energy into how that is possible in a world controlled by billionaires who unleash fascism the moment their power is threatened.
And they’re doing it with a lazy, cynical, Bill Maher-wannabe take because apparently they think this is a good look?
They’ll be the death of us all.
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Because they’re going to change if you keep voting for them?
Einstein had something to say about that
I’m voting against trump by voting 3rd party. Care to join?
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If you want a third party candidate to have a chance of winning or even influencing politics then you have to actually vote third party. My comment was no more in bad faith than the people who dogmatically shout “vote blue no matter who.” or “A vote for third party is a vote for trump.” or some other condescending remark. The point is that people like to try to brow-beat others into voting for candidates that they also claim don’t represent them. I’ve long been tired of making fear-based political decisions just so I can elect someone who doesn’t represent me. If it’s truly only a choice between some guy I don’t like and some guy who will end democracy, then you have no real choice and Democracy has already ended -if it ever began. I will likely be voting for Cornel West or Green Party (as I did during the last General Election) because I actually like and agree with their proposed policy, not because I’m scared of someone else winning. So yes we could really use your vote even if it’s just to get us to 5%. If you choose not to then that is your choice, and at least we are offering you that.
Can you please suggest one candidate other than Biden who has a realistic chance of winning against Trump?
Name one single candidate running right now
The Democrats do not have a realistic chance of winning against Trump because the Democrats are entirely incapable of challenging power. It’s the fundamental contradiction of liberalism. They won’t do anything for the people they need to vote for them because if they do the people who fund them will stop funding them.
Obama and Sanders both excelled at small-dollar donations, of course. Sadly, Obama was a silver-tongued coward and the Clinton Democrats made sure she didn’t repeat the mistakes of 2008 in 2016 by not bothering to sign up voters in case they killed her in the primaries again.
They dig their own grave and they do so willingly because it makes them exceedingly rich.
What are your feelings on voting in the primaries?
I thought Uncommitted was a smart use of the primaries.
More generally, obviously much more critical than in the election itself. But getting the right candidates in the primary, and pushing all candidates to be better in all the usual ways. They’re never going to chase us to the left like they chase to the right, so we have to do the work and set the boundaries.
Neoliberalism is fascism and there is no lesser evil, only evil. He should not be rewarded with reelection if he won’t listen to the demands of the public. That’s how we got to the point where the only option is which senile pedo rapist to choose from.
The pedo rapist in the end already shows the difference between the candidates. Vote for the guy that has not been accused of rape.
I hereby accuse Biden of rape
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Y’all keep acting like we don’t end up with plenty of dead kids anyway.
Fuck this country, I’m done.
You guys have fun playing like your decision matters.
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How is electing Biden going to mean less dead kids in Gaza? He’s still supporting Israel, and he literally just said that US support was ironclad and that no genocide is happening. It doesn’t matter who wins in November, those kids are still going to die, and ultimately that’s on Americans because we supply the weapons and protect Israel from consequences, with force if necessary.
Gaza is done for, everyone there will be killed by the direct actions of the United States and Israel, and voting for Biden isn’t going to absolve anyone for the guilt we all share for that. That’s on you, that’s on me, and that’s on every other American, both Democrat or Republican. No amount of moralizing or “lesser of two evils” bullshit on your part is going to change that. You need to come to terms with the fact that you have a hand in that genocide, and you’re just as guilty as Biden is.
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I’m sure Trump will be much better for those people who refuse to vote Biden solely because of his involvement with the Gaza situation. /s
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The reason Republicans become president is low turnout
So Dems running a candidate that voters don’t want to vote for, is a bad thing.
What works better, is running a candidate like Bill Clinton or Obama. Someone who is
under 40in their 40s says progressive things, and is charismatic.Regardless of how they govern, that’s how you prevent Republican president.
With the current state of Dem primaries, it’s hard to blame voters for who makes it to the general.
And if you’re looking for someone to blame when that unpopular Dem can’t even beat someone like trump, blame the people who get paid millions to decide how to spend billions to convince voters that the Republican is even worse than the Dem so we have to vote for someone not as bad, but still not what we want.
We could just run popular candidates and easily beat trump, but that’s just not an option apparently
What works better, is running a candidate like Bill Clinton or Obama. Someone who is under 40, says progressive things, and is charismatic.
Nitpick: Obama was 47 when he was elected. Clinton was 46. The youngest President ever was Theodore Roosevelt at 42 (when William McKinnley was assassinated), and the youngest president to ever be elected was JFK at 43. No person under the age of 40 has ever served as President.
“Under 50” would probably be more accurate for the point you’re trying to make. We’ve had several good Presidents in the 40-50 age group.
No worries, I meant “in their 40s” but if you wouldn’t have said anything, I wouldn’t have known I fucked up.
Nitpicking is always valid, details are important
We could just run popular candidates and easily beat trump, but that’s just not an option apparently
But…who?
- Bernie Sanders has tried and failed multiple times, and he’s even older than both Trump and Biden.
- Elizabeth Warren is no spring chicken herself, and would very likely end up being eaten alive by the Trump Hate Machine, who would especially capitalize on previous gaffes like claiming she’s native American when she isn’t.
- AOC isn’t old enough yet, and she’s not all that popular even among centrist Democrats outside of her home state.
- Forget Harris. Put her on the ticket and you might as well just write Trump’s inauguration speech now.
I’d like to see someone like Jasmine Crockett or Jamie Raskin make a run for it, but I don’t know if they’ve got the national popularity to be able to take down Trump. And with Crockett being black, Raskin being Jewish, and Trump running on a pro-racism platform and being backed by extremists like the Proud Boys, putting Trump up against a minority may end up riling up Trump’s base even more (I’m not saying this is right, but the reality is that a not-insignificant portion of Trump’s base is heavily racist and would turn out in droves just to make sure a black or Jewish person isn’t elected again, and I’m not sure that either Raskin or Crockett would be popular enough nationally to overcome it, especially in today’s political climate).
There are a bunch of people that I hope are eyeing a 2028 run, but there’s really nobody I could see on the Democrat side of the aisle who’s both ready and able to take down Trump this year. I understand people’s dislike of Biden and all of that, but I still think he’s the least shitty option available that has a realistic chance of winning.
there’s really nobody I could see on the Democrat side of the aisle who’s both ready and able to take down Trump this year
I think it’s probably too late to even bother speculating, but I think that there are a few who could’ve been better picks if Biden had chosen to not run for reelection and we got a full primary. Adam Schiff has proven to be organized and effective. Katie Porter might need more experience, but the way CA districts got adjusted it might’ve been a good time for her to shoot her shot. Hakeem Jeffries has proven his ability to unite the party. Gavin Newsom ain’t perfect, but I wouldn’t be surprised by a Presidential run in 28 or 32; he could’ve been a solid pick for this year too. I know he’s had an unsuccessful attempt already, but Pete Buttigieg is charismatic af, speaks laps around everybody, and now has more experience than in his run years ago; he’s much more ready now.
I’m certainly missing other rising stars, and each of these people has their own baggage as everybody does, but I’m confident that these all would’ve been good nominees right now. I didn’t bother renaming Raskin, but I think he would’ve done fine this year too. Crockett is great, but I think she might need a little more time before she can realistically hope for a successful Presidential run. I’d love to see her do more in committees, go to the Senate, or even get a cabinet position before she tries for that level. I like her passion and no nonsense approach, but I want to see her capability for calm unity over clapback, and I think that will come from further experience.
Idk, I’m kinda excited for up and coming younger Democrats; I’m also terrified of the dogshit up and coming younger Republicans who are basically just professional twitter trolls.
Adam Schiff has proven to be organized and effective.
He’s got a couple of problems. One is that Trump spent 4 years painting him as a lightning rod, and the other is that he’s got all the charisma of a doorknob. I do not think he has what it takes to be able to take on the Trump Hate Machine when push comes to shove. He’s OK in short soundbytes, but I don’t see him having what it takes to take Trump on head-on.
Katie Porter might need more experience, but the way CA districts got adjusted it might’ve been a good time for her to shoot her shot.
At the very least, she needs more time. And I don’t know quite how to put this without coming off as discriminatory in some form, but she seems like the type that a lot of middle- and upper-middle class people wouldn’t take seriously because she’s too “working class”.
Hakeem Jeffries has proven his ability to unite the party.
Like Schiff, problem #1 is that he’s got the charisma of a doorknob. Problem #2 is that he’s black, which again will rile up the GOP base and drive turnout for the racists who may have otherwise stayed home but are now gonna go and make sure that another black person doesn’t get elected again. I wouldn’t consider this as an issue normally, but Trump is literally campaigning on racism.
Gavin Newsom ain’t perfect, but I wouldn’t be surprised by a Presidential run in 28 or 32; he could’ve been a solid pick for this year too. I
My understanding is he didn’t want it. And my memory is fuzzy, but I remember there being somewhat of an uproar when rumors started circulating that he was going to run. Personally, I thought he’d have been fine, but there were plenty of talking heads that I remember saying it wasn’t a good idea.
know he’s had an unsuccessful attempt already, but Pete Buttigieg is charismatic af, speaks laps around everybody, and now has more experience than in his run years ago; he’s much more ready now.
I think he’d be an excellent choice in general, but I think he sometimes leads a little too hard into his homosexuality. While this normally shouldn’t be an issue, when your opponent is literally running on a platform of hate and has a base of racists that is much larger than most people thought pre-Trump, giving Trump a lightning rod like Buttigieg to be able to point to may not be the best strategy.
And again, it shouldn’t be this way. But when Trump’s base of racists is as large as it is and the margins in swing states are so small, putting a minority up there that doesn’t have the national popularity (or, quite frankly, the charisma and aggression) to overcome Trumpism in these swing states may end up doing more harm than good.
All fair points that I didn’t want to hear lol. At the same time, it’s been proven that a man of color can win the presidency and that a woman of color can win the vice presidency in this country, so I’m hesitant to jump right into thinking that only a white, Christian, hetero, cis man can beat trump. It might even get more excitement out of people to come vote for something that isn’t yet another old white guy, which is the only real reason I was hesitant to mention Newsom.
Idk, it’s all speculation on a hypothetical situation, so it’s impossible to say how well anybody would’ve done in this scenario. Just interesting to hear others’ thoughts and see a more thoughtful take than usual. Cheers :)
it’s been proven that a man of color can win the presidency and that a woman of color can win the vice presidency in this country, so I’m hesitant to jump right into thinking that only a white, Christian, hetero, cis man can beat trump.
Cheers to you too. :)
I just want to reply to this by saying that in this political environment, the fact that they’re minorities makes their job more difficult against this opponent. I could see someone like Hakeem Jeffries with a more aggressive attitude like AOC or Crockett being able to take on Trump and win. But the reality of the situation is that you’ve got to bring a LOT of ammo and a LOT of chutzpah to the table if you’re going to take on Trump as a minority, and I’m not convinced that people like Jeffries have that on their own. At least not right now. In a more “regular” election, absolutely. But I just don’t see someone like Jeffries being able to withstand months of what would be an endless firehose of racism pointed right at his face while he’s trying to mount a campaign actually based on the issues instead of just answering whatever Trump vomited up this morning.
Hey now, that’s not important. What’s important is making sure Biden doesn’t get reelected. We don’t need to mention the consequences of the bullshit propaganda people are pushing.
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Yeah, if you’re going to comment you would, ideally:
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read the article
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comprehend what it is saying
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respond to it
Knee-jerk hand-waving is not useful. It’s worse than just a waste of your time and ours, you are actively alienating everyone you desperately need to hold their nose and vote for Biden.
What are you trying to achieve here?
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Let me rewrite this headline:
“Democrats would rather elect a literal Nazi than Joe Biden”
Which is bull, but essentially what the article is saying.
If you won’t vote for Biden because of Gaza, you are an ignorant, narrow-minded idiot and you are handing Trump the presidency.
I know but a lot of people are going to vote based on things that they cannot control in faraway countries.
Forget that LGBTQ rights, abortion rights, consumer rights, renter/tenant rights, homeowner rights, religious rights are all on the table. Let’s hinge our very important voting decision on foreign affairs, as our own issues grow more and more out of control.
Makes a lot of sense. /s
I sure am.
I’m tired of this game. Bring on the collapse, I don’t give a shit anymore
A larger negative number is lower than a smaller negative number.
Vote for the higher number, whether it’s negative or not.
I’d start planning a move to the west coast so that your ‘side’ isn’t outnumbered when things pop off. Assuming you haven’t already made it out to Cascadia.
I’d rather let Trump win so that the Western states can finally have the motivation they need to secede and I can become a citizen of Cascadia and stop having to worry about all the nonsense in DC. And if the secession goes bad, the red states attack, and the fighting turns against us… I plan to sail up north to B.C. and request asylum.
Climate change already prevented me from ever considering having a family, so luckily I fit perfectly into the “disaffected military aged male” category that can risk it all in the hope of a better future. I pity the rest of you who would choose complacency and the path of least resistance over doing what’s right.
Sometimes the best thing that can happen is for things to get worse, because that can prompt you to end your complacency and make the changes you should have made long ago. When people of good conscience are forced to support a literal genocide because of how broken our system is… I think we’ve reached that point.
When people of good conscience are forced to support a literal genocide because of how broken our system is…
When people are incapable of understanding nuance…
I pity the rest of you who would choose complacency and the path of least resistance over doing what’s right.
This is some extremist cool-aid stuff right here. I hope you find the care you need.
Cascadia is not happening in either of our lifetimes. If ever.
Wow. You’re really dumb. Is it painful?
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Sounds like you got your daily dopamine hit. You should probably take a break from social media until you’ve calmed down.
He’s not out of touch, he doesn’t want to upset his benefactors.
Young people are always dissapointing for politics , from simply not turning out, to being confused and manipulated, to voting against their own interests.
Every young voter seems to do the same nonsense regardless of generation, they have been blinded by Propaganda again.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Biden campaign has long been shrugging at the president’s fading polls, turning down opportunities to put him in front of voters, and generally doing their best to portray an air of confident nonchalance.
A new dataset released by the New York Times on 13 May found that Biden was trailing in five key swing states – Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania – and suffering from disillusionment among young voters as well as Black and Latino ones.
“Drawing broad conclusions about the race based on results from one poll is a mistake,” Geoff Garin, a pollster for the Biden campaign, told the New York Times.
If that figure cannot shake you into moral recognition, consider that many of those children have endured their amputations without anesthesia, since medicine – like food – has largely been prohibited from being delivered to Gaza by Israeli authorities.
And though his White House repeatedly leaks that he is “privately” dismayed by Israel’s conduct of the war, he has done little to stop the flow of US money and guns that support it.
But these lesser-of-two-evils argument do not lessen the tax on the conscience that many anti-war Americans will feel when they consider whether to vote for Biden in spite of his support for the genocide in Gaza.
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It is good for him (#Biden) to leave for whatever reason.
Oh fuck completely off with this bullshit
