• Alsephina@lemmy.mlOP
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    7 months ago

    As always, liberals’ “support” for national liberation movements only extends to words, if even that.

    They’ll gladly support genocide in practice while capitalism gradually decays into fascism, as they’ve let happen in Europe in the past.

    “The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.”
    - Malcolm X

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      7 months ago

      Ironically showing your own privilege. Those who are in imminent danger from things getting worse will vote against another Trump term, no matter who. Biden and the status quo fucking suck, but they can get so much worse.

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        They’re already in danger. Democrats aren’t stopping local governments from attacking them.

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          Take a minute, read my comment again. I said things getting worse. Not bad, cause they’re bad. Worse.

          Cool, have a nice day.

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      7 months ago

      Nah you’re assuming a lot of garbage because you’re dumb. I’m stuck in a first past the post system given a choice between actual trash or a biohazardous fascist dumpster fire. If you don’t vote, you’re more likely giving power to the biohazardous dumpster again and we all saw how that worked out. You’re an idiot if you think not voting absolves you from the consequences of the next person in power.

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        Nah you’re just a dumbass for thinking that voting for either of the genocidal fascists and endorsing the capitalist system keeping them in power “absolves” you of anything (whatever that means).

        Political power in a capitalist state comes from organizing, not from writing the name of some maniac on a piece of paper

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          You’re accusing them of thinking voting gives absolution? You’re the ignorant one here, and you deserve to be ground under the boots of fascism.

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          Come November, either Trump or Biden will be elected into office, whether you like it or not.

          If your goal is to organize, one of those outcomes will make that harder to do than the other.

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            If the left dumped the DNC and made them unable to reliably win elections in 2000, we wouldn’t be here right now. Arguing that we can never start the hard but necessary process of making the DNC go the way of the Whigs is like arguing that climate change is too hard to deal with. It’s not going to actually ever get any easier and the longer we wait the harder it will be.

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              It’s not going to actually ever get any easier and the longer we wait the harder it will be.

              So you’re concerned about it getting harder, but advocating for actions that increase the likelihood of it getting much harder, much more quickly.

              Make it make sense.

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                These accelerationists in this thread are the dumbest people on the left who don’t care about the oppressed sympathetic to their views and are directly in harms’ way if things get worse, because they want to gamble on a violent revolution that will nebulously make things better w/o any plan.

                The stupidity is almost humorous.

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                Voting blue no matter who is what got us here, with a DNC that runs bad candidates picked in woke filled rooms behind the scenes, and doesn’t allow real primaries to pick the strongest candidate. A great example of this is Henry Cuellar, a pro-life conservative who Nancy Pelosi moved heaven and earth for in the primary, literally lying to the dems in that district, saying she knew the FBI had dropped the investigation. Now we’ll just lose that seat because the DNC would rather it go red than be occupied by a progressive. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. The DNC isn’t in fighting shape and the longer they’re propped up, the worse they’ll do against the GOP every cycle, which only emboldens the GOP to do crazy shit because the opposition party isn’t a threat to them no matter what they do.

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                  The DNC isn’t in fighting shape and the longer they’re propped up, the worse they’ll do against the GOP every cycle, which only emboldens the GOP to do crazy shit because the opposition party isn’t a threat to them no matter what they do.

                  So again, it sounds like your concern is the GOP being emboldened to do crazier shit. So the solution is to hand them the presidency and the freedom to do all the crazy shit they want.

                  Make it make sense.

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                    The DNC is only going to become more prone to losing the longer they’re propped up by an electorate that doesn’t force them to improve. Maybe you can drag Biden over the line this time (you can’t imo, the GOP has a structural advantage vs polls and Biden is just dead in the water in polls) but that only rewards the complacency that has led to them being this bad at elections. The GOP stepped in Brexit-level shit when they got Roe v Wade overturned, the fact that the DNC is doing as poorly as it is proves out what polling has shown, the DNC brand itself is deeply toxic in many states. We’ll just be here in 2028 with you saying “We need to hold our nose and just vote for Kamala, even though Biden just nuked Laos because Netanyahu asked him to.” Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be about to be term limited out and the blowback from Dobbs, his inflationary monetary policy, and Gaza would have fallen in his lap, putting the GOP in a worse position this cycle than they currently are. But they aren’t, because you voted blue no matter who. Now he’s going to come back, bigger and angrier than ever, and we didn’t even hold a primary to try to find someone who can beat him.

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            Really? Are we watching the same news? The Democrats are pulling the same exact bullshit trump did with protestors.

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                  Pro-Palestine protests, of course, being the only form of organization.

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                    It doesn’t take more than once to show an intolerance. They only let protestors they agree with organize peacefully.

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                Oh no! Now the enlightened centrists are calling me Russian! Get in line behind the 2A guys calling me communist.

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          Do something about it lmao. I want to hear about you on the news organizing your way to power before the election. Name drop Jaderick in your speeches, I would love to see it and you could prove me wrong.

          In the mean time you’re just trash sitting there doing nothing lol.

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        You MAGAts keep screaming about how if we don’t vote blue, fascism will gain even more power.

        What exactly do you think is happening right now under Biden?

        It’s incredibly telling of the liberal brain rot that you can listen to this entire song and your only argument is “but orange man bad”.

        So, to quote the warrior-poet: “And fuck no, I’m not votin’ for you in the fall”

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          What exactly do you think is happening right now under Biden?

          A slower slide into fascism than would happen under Trump. How was that not clear?

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          Lmao calling me MAGA. Dude can’t even read a post history, I’m surprised you can format a post.

          So what are you then, just nihilist internet trash? Explain how not voting is going to make Palestinian lives better. While you’re at it, explain how a Trump presidency would be better for fighting fascism. Explain how not participating in the system of power is somehow going to give you what you want, whatever that may be? You just want to watch the world burn? Start with your own house.

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        Same here, sounds like a lot of these people are disenfranchised, or are paid to dissuade voters from one particular side, or they’re useful idiots.

        I live in a first past the post system, it’s not going to change for the better from the top down, I petition for ranked choice voting on the local level, if I want to continue to be able to vote in the future (and not in a Russian sense of “being able to vote”) I’m voting for Biden.

        Don’t let the astroturfing here dissuade you.

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          For sure, I know accelerationists are the dumbest people on the left who have never picked up a book in their life. I’m getting downvoted in series of 7 votes which seems like a strange number to AstroTurf lmao.

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              What is “it”? All the nebulous statements with no plan lmao. They haven’t broken people enough to revolt yet. I’d have expected Russians to revolt again considering the worse oligarchical state over there, but the oligarchs are still in power. The bullies still have the better organization skills.

              I hope y’all are at least part of a union otherwise you’re just worthless words lmao.