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The DNC is only going to become more prone to losing the longer they’re propped up by an electorate that doesn’t force them to improve. Maybe you can drag Biden over the line this time (you can’t imo, the GOP has a structural advantage vs polls and Biden is just dead in the water in polls) but that only rewards the complacency that has led to them being this bad at elections. The GOP stepped in Brexit-level shit when they got Roe v Wade overturned, the fact that the DNC is doing as poorly as it is proves out what polling has shown, the DNC brand itself is deeply toxic in many states. We’ll just be here in 2028 with you saying “We need to hold our nose and just vote for Kamala, even though Biden just nuked Laos because Netanyahu asked him to.” Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be about to be term limited out and the blowback from Dobbs, his inflationary monetary policy, and Gaza would have fallen in his lap, putting the GOP in a worse position this cycle than they currently are. But they aren’t, because you voted blue no matter who. Now he’s going to come back, bigger and angrier than ever, and we didn’t even hold a primary to try to find someone who can beat him.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be about to be term limited out and the blowback from Dobbs, his inflationary monetary policy, and Gaza would have fallen in his lap, putting the GOP in a worse position this cycle than they currently are.
Cool fanfic.
Now he’s going to come back, bigger and angrier than ever
Only if you guys get your way.
Kinda wild how the narrative you guys prop up has moved from “both sides are the same” to “actually if Trump had won in 2020 that would have been better”
Both sides aren’t the same. The DNC is run by PR executives who don’t care about winning or losing as long as they make a percentage on the ad spend for the election. The GOP, meanwhile, is run by corrupt politicians who need to win in order to quid for a later quo of a do nothing million dollar a year job for a megacorporation. Perhaps it would be most fruitful to reflect on how you try to “persuade” voters and examine if that contributes to the toxicity of the DNC brand and the likelihood of voters unhappy with their performance turning out.
You keep talking like the only options are to hand the election to Trump and have the fight under that political landscape, or vote against Trump then suddenly not have that fight at all.
That’s simply not how it works.
You can muse about these things all day, but like I said, one of 2 outcomes is possible this November.
If you’re going to have this fight, one of those outcomes will make it significantly harder to have.
If you’re right and Trump is going to successfully end electoral politics, assuming you win 2024 by the skin of your teeth, you’re just delaying fate until 2028, when Trump will run again and beat Kamala, who the DNC will ordain as the candidate despite her disastrous 2020 run (or it will be long enough since Hillary lost they’ll force her on us again). Either way we lose and Trump wins eventually. If anything, a win in 2024 will leave the DNC with fewer state and legislative seats to prevent literal constitutional amendments (see the 1000+ state-level seats Obama lost during his term and the general trend of losing congressional seats during a presidential term). It’s a sad reality, but it’s the fruit of the actions of a political party that hasn’t really been into winning at electoral politics since 1992. You’re probably going to bring up that Biden lost fewer seats than expected in 2022, but that’s not the own you think it is. The DNC could have readily kept the house in 2022, but decided to completely fuck the NY map so that the head of the DCCC could keep his seat (which he did not anyway) resulting in the loss of 5 seats that should have gone dem. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it actually care about being the firewall against the GOP’s extremism it pretends to be.
I’m just commenting that I appreciate you being the one to actually discuss points in this thread. I agree with the other guy, but I’m praising efforts here.
The DNC is only going to become more prone to losing the longer they’re propped up by an electorate that doesn’t force them to improve. Maybe you can drag Biden over the line this time (you can’t imo, the GOP has a structural advantage vs polls and Biden is just dead in the water in polls) but that only rewards the complacency that has led to them being this bad at elections. The GOP stepped in Brexit-level shit when they got Roe v Wade overturned, the fact that the DNC is doing as poorly as it is proves out what polling has shown, the DNC brand itself is deeply toxic in many states. We’ll just be here in 2028 with you saying “We need to hold our nose and just vote for Kamala, even though Biden just nuked Laos because Netanyahu asked him to.” Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be about to be term limited out and the blowback from Dobbs, his inflationary monetary policy, and Gaza would have fallen in his lap, putting the GOP in a worse position this cycle than they currently are. But they aren’t, because you voted blue no matter who. Now he’s going to come back, bigger and angrier than ever, and we didn’t even hold a primary to try to find someone who can beat him.
Cool fanfic.
Only if you guys get your way.
Kinda wild how the narrative you guys prop up has moved from “both sides are the same” to “actually if Trump had won in 2020 that would have been better”
The mask is really coming off.
Both sides aren’t the same. The DNC is run by PR executives who don’t care about winning or losing as long as they make a percentage on the ad spend for the election. The GOP, meanwhile, is run by corrupt politicians who need to win in order to quid for a later quo of a do nothing million dollar a year job for a megacorporation. Perhaps it would be most fruitful to reflect on how you try to “persuade” voters and examine if that contributes to the toxicity of the DNC brand and the likelihood of voters unhappy with their performance turning out.
You keep talking like the only options are to hand the election to Trump and have the fight under that political landscape, or vote against Trump then suddenly not have that fight at all.
That’s simply not how it works.
You can muse about these things all day, but like I said, one of 2 outcomes is possible this November.
If you’re going to have this fight, one of those outcomes will make it significantly harder to have.
If you’re right and Trump is going to successfully end electoral politics, assuming you win 2024 by the skin of your teeth, you’re just delaying fate until 2028, when Trump will run again and beat Kamala, who the DNC will ordain as the candidate despite her disastrous 2020 run (or it will be long enough since Hillary lost they’ll force her on us again). Either way we lose and Trump wins eventually. If anything, a win in 2024 will leave the DNC with fewer state and legislative seats to prevent literal constitutional amendments (see the 1000+ state-level seats Obama lost during his term and the general trend of losing congressional seats during a presidential term). It’s a sad reality, but it’s the fruit of the actions of a political party that hasn’t really been into winning at electoral politics since 1992. You’re probably going to bring up that Biden lost fewer seats than expected in 2022, but that’s not the own you think it is. The DNC could have readily kept the house in 2022, but decided to completely fuck the NY map so that the head of the DCCC could keep his seat (which he did not anyway) resulting in the loss of 5 seats that should have gone dem. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it actually care about being the firewall against the GOP’s extremism it pretends to be.
Funny, I don’t recall saying that anywhere…
I’m just commenting that I appreciate you being the one to actually discuss points in this thread. I agree with the other guy, but I’m praising efforts here.