• Alsephina@lemmy.mlOP
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      7 months ago

      As always, liberals’ “support” for national liberation movements only extends to words, if even that.

      They’ll gladly support genocide in practice while capitalism gradually decays into fascism, as they’ve let happen in Europe in the past.

      “The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.”
      - Malcolm X

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        7 months ago

        Ironically showing your own privilege. Those who are in imminent danger from things getting worse will vote against another Trump term, no matter who. Biden and the status quo fucking suck, but they can get so much worse.

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          They’re already in danger. Democrats aren’t stopping local governments from attacking them.

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            Take a minute, read my comment again. I said things getting worse. Not bad, cause they’re bad. Worse.

            Cool, have a nice day.

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        Nah you’re assuming a lot of garbage because you’re dumb. I’m stuck in a first past the post system given a choice between actual trash or a biohazardous fascist dumpster fire. If you don’t vote, you’re more likely giving power to the biohazardous dumpster again and we all saw how that worked out. You’re an idiot if you think not voting absolves you from the consequences of the next person in power.

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          Nah you’re just a dumbass for thinking that voting for either of the genocidal fascists and endorsing the capitalist system keeping them in power “absolves” you of anything (whatever that means).

          Political power in a capitalist state comes from organizing, not from writing the name of some maniac on a piece of paper

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            Come November, either Trump or Biden will be elected into office, whether you like it or not.

            If your goal is to organize, one of those outcomes will make that harder to do than the other.

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              If the left dumped the DNC and made them unable to reliably win elections in 2000, we wouldn’t be here right now. Arguing that we can never start the hard but necessary process of making the DNC go the way of the Whigs is like arguing that climate change is too hard to deal with. It’s not going to actually ever get any easier and the longer we wait the harder it will be.

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                It’s not going to actually ever get any easier and the longer we wait the harder it will be.

                So you’re concerned about it getting harder, but advocating for actions that increase the likelihood of it getting much harder, much more quickly.

                Make it make sense.

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                  These accelerationists in this thread are the dumbest people on the left who don’t care about the oppressed sympathetic to their views and are directly in harms’ way if things get worse, because they want to gamble on a violent revolution that will nebulously make things better w/o any plan.

                  The stupidity is almost humorous.

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                  Voting blue no matter who is what got us here, with a DNC that runs bad candidates picked in woke filled rooms behind the scenes, and doesn’t allow real primaries to pick the strongest candidate. A great example of this is Henry Cuellar, a pro-life conservative who Nancy Pelosi moved heaven and earth for in the primary, literally lying to the dems in that district, saying she knew the FBI had dropped the investigation. Now we’ll just lose that seat because the DNC would rather it go red than be occupied by a progressive. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. The DNC isn’t in fighting shape and the longer they’re propped up, the worse they’ll do against the GOP every cycle, which only emboldens the GOP to do crazy shit because the opposition party isn’t a threat to them no matter what they do.

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                    The DNC isn’t in fighting shape and the longer they’re propped up, the worse they’ll do against the GOP every cycle, which only emboldens the GOP to do crazy shit because the opposition party isn’t a threat to them no matter what they do.

                    So again, it sounds like your concern is the GOP being emboldened to do crazier shit. So the solution is to hand them the presidency and the freedom to do all the crazy shit they want.

                    Make it make sense.

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              Really? Are we watching the same news? The Democrats are pulling the same exact bullshit trump did with protestors.

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            You’re accusing them of thinking voting gives absolution? You’re the ignorant one here, and you deserve to be ground under the boots of fascism.

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            Do something about it lmao. I want to hear about you on the news organizing your way to power before the election. Name drop Jaderick in your speeches, I would love to see it and you could prove me wrong.

            In the mean time you’re just trash sitting there doing nothing lol.

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          You MAGAts keep screaming about how if we don’t vote blue, fascism will gain even more power.

          What exactly do you think is happening right now under Biden?

          It’s incredibly telling of the liberal brain rot that you can listen to this entire song and your only argument is “but orange man bad”.

          So, to quote the warrior-poet: “And fuck no, I’m not votin’ for you in the fall”

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            What exactly do you think is happening right now under Biden?

            A slower slide into fascism than would happen under Trump. How was that not clear?

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            Lmao calling me MAGA. Dude can’t even read a post history, I’m surprised you can format a post.

            So what are you then, just nihilist internet trash? Explain how not voting is going to make Palestinian lives better. While you’re at it, explain how a Trump presidency would be better for fighting fascism. Explain how not participating in the system of power is somehow going to give you what you want, whatever that may be? You just want to watch the world burn? Start with your own house.

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          Same here, sounds like a lot of these people are disenfranchised, or are paid to dissuade voters from one particular side, or they’re useful idiots.

          I live in a first past the post system, it’s not going to change for the better from the top down, I petition for ranked choice voting on the local level, if I want to continue to be able to vote in the future (and not in a Russian sense of “being able to vote”) I’m voting for Biden.

          Don’t let the astroturfing here dissuade you.

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            For sure, I know accelerationists are the dumbest people on the left who have never picked up a book in their life. I’m getting downvoted in series of 7 votes which seems like a strange number to AstroTurf lmao.

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                What is “it”? All the nebulous statements with no plan lmao. They haven’t broken people enough to revolt yet. I’d have expected Russians to revolt again considering the worse oligarchical state over there, but the oligarchs are still in power. The bullies still have the better organization skills.

                I hope y’all are at least part of a union otherwise you’re just worthless words lmao.

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      7 months ago

      Funny how overnight (Russian working hours) our comments went from +20 and +10 to into the negatives, isn’t it?

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        It’s definitely not the Genocide Biden is supporting. It’s the Russians making it all up!

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          I think you’re right, its not Russians or bots. There really just that many myopic, real people on .ml

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              Interesting take – walk me through the reasoning there.

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                Liberals can’t see beyond the next election (myopic). They also can’t see the results of 30 years of “voting blue no matter who,” so they lack the ability to learn.
                Meanwhile leftists have been saying since Marx that Capitalism is the problem, and voting for your favorite color of Capitalism isn’t beneficial to anyone but the Capitalist system. So yes there are that many myopic people, like yourself, who will not only vote for blue capitalism over literally any other action, but they will also come to explicitly leftists spaces and browbeat others to do the same.

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                  So, to be clear:

                  • Donjuanme suggested that the reason they and Jaderick were downvoted was because of Russian intervention

                  • Linkerbaan mocked that suggestion

                  • I proposed that it wasn’t Russians or bots, merely myopic .ml users (such as yourself) who did the downvoting

                  • You’ve come along and suggested that those .ml users who did that downvoting are myopic liberals invading leftist spaces

                  Is that really what you think of yourself?

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                    Whenever I see a person blaming Russian’s and Bots for going against their narrative, I know I’ve found a liberal. When someone else entertaining the option and suggesting the people downvoting the liberal are in the wrong, well it looks like I found two liberals.

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          So are you going to explain how Trump is better for Palestine? Better yet, you got a plan to organize a better system of government before November?

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        We can see the votes. You don’t have 10 or 20 upvotes on any comment in here. Stop lying.

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          You can see the vote history? Last night I’m pretty sure I was at 20 and the first response was at 10… But maybe it was a different thread? Pretty sure it was this one…

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            Yes. It simply shows The up and down votes separately. Unless people changed their vote it was never that high.