brutal. He deserved to hear the truth. doubt he believed though
At this point, it’s probably a defense mechanism. Can you imagine the kind of soul crushing realization it would be to accept that you’re responsible for your spouse’s death because you got way too deep into shit posting on Facebook? It’s way, way more comfortable to displace that blame and rationalize it away.
I sort of feel like the exceedingly casual posting on Facebook about this very world-wrenching moment in his life is proof enough for me that he’s made a few horcruxes in his time and has a maimed soul.
If I was in his shoes, those 3 words would be on loop in my head, and I’d be curled up in a foetal position bawling, insensate, forever. Like the end of a particularly disturbing Black Mirror ep.
Yeah, but don’t you think he still, even if it is just subconsciously, believes it up to a degree?
It must be gnawing at him.
Yeah, he probably does. In between the space of consciousness and unconsciousness, when the frontal lobe can’t run defense anymore and the limbic system starts to lose its weighted clothing, it probably sneaks through. Probably right before he goes to sleep, or in his dreams, or when he’s spacing out on something, it sneaks up on him like the cat in the hat with a bat.
If this is real, I would absolutely feel for him. She would be an adult, though, and capable of making her own decisions.
It’s far worse when it’s someone’s child.
He is posting this because he STILL thinks he’s right and she was wrong to blame him
Narcissism is a helluva drug.
Oh holy fuck… oh holy fuck…
Yep. I just found this in my Facebook memories and this one was baaaaaad.
Is the dude still an antivaxxer or was there a redemption arc? I feel like we need some before and after posts.
He just makes a lot of derogatory comments about women now, and just how Commie Pinko in Chief Joe Biden is ruining all the things. He shut up about COVID
So…he didn’t really learn anything from one of the darkest things that could possibly happen to a person. How…sad.
The problem is that most conservatives are simply incapable of introspection. Everything they do in life is in an effort to not be wrong about anything.
It doesn’t help that there’s a gigantic propaganda machine aimed at people like them. He definitely bares some responsibility, but all of these people are being manipulated. I hate it all so much…
He just makes a lot of derogatory comments about women now, and just how Commie Pinko in Chief Joe Biden is ruining all the things. He shut up about COVID
How could I be wrong about anything when it’s never my fault? /s
Nah bro, you don’t come back from that. The only way to cope with that level of mental trauma is to convince yourself you’re even more right.
What’s the context?
Edit: I didn’t know what any of this was in reference to. I wasn’t trying to ask for context in order to defend anyone. Apologies.
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You’d be surprised how many abusers will tell on themselves thinking they are sharing a story about how something unfair was said to them. Then they give you the backstory as they relay it to a friend where they think it’s a safe space. A lot of assholes will still staunchly think they are in the right. Sadly a lot of their friends will join in on a toxic journey with them too. YouTube comments are pretty rife with these cliques.
Yup. I used to follow a YouTube channel run by a couple, then they had a harsh breakup and she left the channel. Some time later she comes forward with allegations of abuse against him, and I’m like “okay but this is just her side of the story, what if it’s all bullshit?”.
Then he addressed the allegations. The way he addressed them, to me, was exposing himself FAR more than anything she said. It was like watching a movie villain monologue. Really scary how skewed those people’s perceptions are.
Absolutely correct this post comes off as “This is the bad thing my wife said to me before she died and I’m too oblivious to realize it was my fault”. I’ve seen the same shit with couples looking for validation after a nasty breakup.
I’m 90% sure I was able to find the correct person the post belongs to. They’re listed as widowed. They live in/are from areas that you would stereotypically expect a person to be taking horse dewormer instead of getting vaccinated. His public comments are full of typical boomer humor memes, misogynistic gems like (copied right from his page) “ Just heard an interesting fact….25% of women are being treated for mental illness….that means 75% are running around untreated 🤣🤣🤣”, guns, and more gems like this: E: image didn’t upload. It was a side-by-side image of a muzzled dog and a woman wearing a large covid mask titled “obedience training”.
You’re giving them waaaay too much credit
It’s just too weird.
One that he would bother to admit it.
Two, even if he had the self awareness to reflect upon it, how “coy” he was being.
- First a vague reference that no one could possibly react to except to ask for details if they had their interest piqued.
- Then a follow-up to make it more pointed, but still conspicuously omitting the actual meat of the situation. Seemingly calibrated to try to elicit engagement after the first attempt failed
- Finally sharing the meat of the situation only after a little engagement and direct question
Enter all of the people who have been shown they’ve been duped, and respond with “Why can’t you just let people enjoy things?”
Oh, right. This isn’t reddit.
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yea, seems far fetched to me too
And then everyone clapped…
The fact that freedom in the US is conflated with not getting the vaccine is incomprehensible. Something like vaccination should be mandatory with very limited exceptions for truly legitimate cases.
I’m old and I remember you just got your little shot card filled up before you went to school and that was that.
I love vaccines. I get any one I can.
You still need that card. My kid would not be allowed into school without it.
Oh thank goodness.
Yeah, but nowadays it keeps track of different “shots”.
I don’t know why that is in quotes
Yeah I have a vaccine card from when I was a baby and I’m over 40 so I guess that it wasn’t in good faith.
I treat vaccines like pokemon…gotta catch em all. If someone offers me a vaccine, I’ll take it, even if it’s for something rare. I just want to be immunized against as many things as possible.
But you can’t read books by black and/or gay authors in some states. The right only likes to cherry pick the freedoms.
They’ve become very anti freedom in fact. Unless it has something to do with a major lobby like guns, or letting corporations pollute air and water, they pretty much are pro restrictions on most things.
You can’t get them in school liberties, they’re still available everywhere else
They also want to ban them from public libraries now. If successful, do you think they will stop there? I think it’s likely that they will keep pushing for more restrictions.
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As much as I like to make fun of the US, in this particular case I have to point out that a lot of other countries have antivaxxers.
Here in France we have an epidemic of them, and the numbers shows they really made covid worse. My own dad is one of them, and he told me dead serious he’d rather get sick than get any vaccine and that’s his choice and nobody should force him. He, and I guess most other antivax too, either does not understand the concept of herd immmunity or doesn’t care about other people.
As an American it is horrifying to not be able to argue with this directly, because for every outward appearance it might as well be true.
But the argument I would make is that Americans are not the dumbest people in the world, Americans are simply allowed to survive and visibly prosper in spite of, and sometimes because of, their obvious stupidity. And combining this with the entitlement inherent in ‘just happening to be born here’ and the relative complete lack of suffering most of them experience, makes it easy for them to publicly hold opinions that people in most countries would either have to keep to themselves for their own personal safety, or just because few others are willing to join arms with them.
Basically it’s a constantly building bubble that could happen anywhere, and to smaller degrees probably happens all over the world in small communities, but here it’s a bubble that for some reason has been resistant to popping, to the point where any attempts to pop it are easily avoided due to it’s mass and ridiculously protective userbase.
Look at the UK and Brexit, or Russia and the mass of people outwardly supporting Putin, or the Middle East and apparent support of honor killings. Even if the majority of the people living in these areas don’t agree with this outward support, fear or resignation or something stops them from being the loud voice in the space. In the US it might be closer to resignation or hopelessness, but across the world we’re all really the same when you sit down and talk normally…there are stupid people everywhere you look, here we just don’t have a good way to embarrass them into shutting up.
To be fair, America has a health system that gains from keeping people ill and medicated, and after Tuskegee there is little trust in the government either.
There’s a saying I want to make famous: “One man’s freedom ends where another’s begins.” Your freedom not to take a vaccine only lasts as long as it does not affect your neighbor’s rights to live and breathe.
Wearing a mask, quarantine and distancing protected your neighbor. The covid vaccines only protected yourself.
that’s only true if time doesn’t exist.
Given that time does exist, which part is false?
The part that this 2+ year old study doesn’t take into consideration Omicron vaccinations. You’ve been vaccinated against Omicron, like a normal, sane person, haven’t you? At the time this was written, they were only using original strain vaccinations. Where I am, in the present, you can’t even get those any more, they’re so far behind.
Or, are you an idiot, and basing decisions off of out of date papers? Because it seems like you might be.
I bet you don’t even understand how flu vaccines change.
If you find his page (it’s not hard) it’s full of stereotypically what you’d expect. Boomer humor memes, guns, mocking Taylor Swift, misogynistic comments, etc.
And how women are all mentally ill, yeah I saw yesterday.
Anti-science is anti-reality
I hope life insurance didnt pay his claim
Need to be able to think forwards to have life insurance. Not this dude’s strong suit.
We made certain populations with many comorbidities very aware before they went for sedation on the vent that they would likely never wake up again. It was always a tough conversation and actually pulling the trigger on it while they were suffocating was hard. Most of my job at the time was doing everything I could to keep people who were maxed out in high flow oxygen off the vent.
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It did happen. And he’s still free, was posting yesterday.
what would you arrest him for exactly?
Even if it did, his wife isn’t there to say he stopped her in a legal fashion. Like she is a grown adult that made a horrible decision to support her husband. But I don’t think it’s a legal manslaughter or something along those lines.
I do however feel it’s morally fucked up.
he didnt force anybody, being stupid is not a crime
How did he force her to not get vaxxed?
Domestic abuse isn’t just physical violence, it can also include manipulation, coercion, and other forms of control.
oh please lets not pretend she was probably just as nuts
OP has said elsewhere in the thread that they knew this couple at the time and she did not have a meaningful say in the situation. She was threatened with divorce if she had gotten the vaccine. For a lot of women, their economic situations are such that a sudden divorce would likely lead to poverty and homelessness as well as loss of meaningful support for any of their children.
eh, she had a way out. i dont have a lot of sympathy
Then you don’t have a very good understanding of what domestic abuse situations are actually like. I hope that you can expand your understanding through empathetic learning and that you don’t have to learn via personal or close vicarious experience.
This seems like a troll, idk, it’s too funny.
It’s not really funny.
Imagine being manipulated into refusing medical treatment.
This woman had a miserable marriage and died an unnecessary death.
Nope he’s real. I can post related shots.
Profile pic checks out
I miss the old /r/hermancainaward before they started blocking out people’s faces. They all pretty much looked just like this dude, but it made all the posts much more real seeing the people that posted them.
Was a great sub in its heyday.
Like a car crash made of spite and the little bit of Social Darwinism in your head you can never quite make go away.
Lol I think you mean Darwin Awards. Social Darwinism is a
punk band from the west coastracist ideology from the 1800sYou shouldn’t confuse something racists (and fascists) latch on to with something being inherently racist.
Social Darwinism is the idea that “survival of the fittest” applies to human behavior. Taken further it ultimately states that the “strong” deserve the resources they can take from “weak” by virtue of being able to take it, but on a casual usage level applied to, for example, anti-vaxers, it means they fell for the rhetoric and therefore deserved to die.
They had a flaw, and nature removed them from the gene pool as a result. Or they had a strength, and were rewarded for it. That’s the core idea. Racists, fascists, and capitalists love the idea, of course, because it’s very easy to map their nonsense on to that core principle.
Success becomes a virtue in and of itself, and the reality of simple luck, circumstance, social pressures or systemic injustice is ignored. There is only failure or success. It also implies that helping those in difficulty is a “sin,” that you are encouraging the “weak” to reproduce and thus weaken the human race.
That would be where the Darwin and Herman Cain awards start mapping onto Social Darwinism. Ultimately, both are communities revelling in other humans removing themselves from the gene pool.
They were weak, they were stupid, they had it coming, and therefore it is okay to mock their tragedies because they did it to themselves.
It’s a pretty contemptible thought, once you spell it all out, isn’t it?
You were literally talking about a tongue in cheek Darwin effect/Darwin Awards the entire time. Social Darwinism is a line of thought meant to apply racist misunderstandings of Darwin’s ideas to humans.
Sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism
(Seriosly the wiki is good)
https://socialwelfare.library.vcu.edu/issues/social-darwinism-poor/
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/social-darwinism
Bro, I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t want to admit they’re related.
Make a lemmy version?
Nah, I feel like the moment has past
I really like how people try to censor names and fail to do so. If you really want something like that to be irreversible put a fucking black rectangle instead.
Ah but that’s hard to do on a phone and you know nobody uses computers anymore. Just scribble over it with your finger, like a toddler in Kindergarten. Good enough!
There’s literally apps for redacting screenshots.
The best one I’ve seen is where people scribble over it but it’s in a slightly transparent color so you can still easily read the text underneath. I can only assume that they were in a very bright environment because otherwise it’s blindingly obvious.
You really expect people to download an entire app for a single image editing functionality, when the builtin gallery does “enough”?
If it was posted publicly, then you can just search for it. The globe icon tells you that the post is public.
Fuck man, I read the title but still, seeing it spelled out, fuck. That’s some heavy shit.
Deserved too. I blame the dipshit that was president for it though. All he had to do was say to wear a mask and get vaccinated and so many lives would have been saved. The whole fighting over it would never have happened. It’s really pathetic, and these mouthbreathers are trying to vote his dumbass back in.
If I recall correctly Trump did originally, but back-peddled the moment he faced the slightest push-back from his mouth-breathing constituency.
The weak man’s idea of a strongman, indeed.
I’m probably wrong, but I thought it went the other way? That he started out calling it no big deal, then shifted to mask mandates and vaccines are communism, then the whole ivermectin and injecting bleach thing, and then when he got caught getting vaccinated, he tried to backpedal and tell people to get vaccinated, but he immediately went back to calling it a hoax and whatever else when he got even a tiny bit of outrage from his base.
He was always on board with the vaccines until he got booed at an event for promoting the vaccines. Then he became, outwardly, pro-vaccine (but more quietly), and anti-mandate.
He was always anti-mask. And he tried to downplay Covid in general because he didn’t want the Dow Jones Industrial Average to drop.
How did he force her to not get vaccinated? She’s a grown ass woman
By bombarding her with antivaxxer propaganda and threatening her with divorce if she got it sadly.
Grown or not, some people are very much under their spouse’s control because of money and other vulnerability.
Are you for real “for real”? This is OC and you know the backstory?
Yeah I stumbled across him on Facebook in 2021. He took a lot of those posts down, the ones that said he’d divorce her id she got the vaccine, but I saw them all.
Ok, I get what you’re saying, but she could have just gotten vaccinated without him knowing.
Yeah, I know, easy for me to say. But at some point, you need to take agency over your own decisions.
There’s people who can’t leave the house without their spouse tailing along.
Sure, but that kind of thing mostly refers to housing and income. It would be trivial to get vaccinated without telling your spouse or anyone else who wants to make a big deal out of it. This lady made the bet that appeasing her husband was more important than getting vaccinated and she lost that bet. Her husband certainly bears a large portion of the blame for creating the situation she found herself in but she could have easily found her way out of it without causing a fuss. She chose not to.
I don’t think you’ve been in a relationship like what I’m talking about, and I’m glad for you. Emotional abuse is terrifying. I live it and it’s absolutely killing me and because of money I can do nothing different.
I hate hearing that you’re in this situation. I know there are a lot of things that make it hard to escape but I hope one day you’re able to. I don’t know if you’re in the US but just in case: thehotline.org leads to the national domestic violence hotline’s website, which has an easy X button to press if you have to close it quickly. The website says they can help in cases of emotional abuse and when people are stuck due to finances.
I really wish you the best OP <3
Thank you. Unfortunately I am not and I’d never leave my dogs behind, but some days are really awful.
Not matter how insurmountable it may seem, I suggest you take a few minutes, each day, week, month to plan an escape in secret. Find allies outside of the relationship. Leave nothing behind you cannot replace, especially child and animals.
Make multiple escape plans, no matter how unlikely they seem.
The more the better so when an opportunity presents itself you are already read and just go. The element of surprise is critical.
I’m sure it is a very unpleasant situation to be in. That doesn’t change the fact that getting vaccinated is simple, cheap, and as anonymous as you would like it to be.
Is it? Did she have her own transportation? Was she able to leave the house without her husband’s knowledge, or without him keeping tabs on her?
What you’re doing is victim blaming at its finest. Just stop.
You can call it whatever you like but it won’t make what I’m saying any less true. Getting vaccinated is intentionally easy to do. Laws prohibit doctors and any organization with access from sharing medical records. A shitty spouse has less control over this choice than the vast majority of choices in your life.
I’m sending the message to anyone reading this that it is possible to get vaccinated even if there are people in your life who don’t want you to do that. What are you doing besides telling people it’s important to get vaccinated unless it’s a bit more difficult than it should be? Who does that help? Everyone already knows that abusive spouses are dicks. That fact doesn’t need any more attention.
It’s not a universal truth that you can just choose to get a vaccination without making an appointment or needing to involve insurance etc.
In a hypothetical extreme scenario, imagine having to weigh the risks between getting the vaccine that will potentially save your life and unexpectedly getting an appointment reminder text/email or follow-up contact that alerts the controlling partner and they potentially end your life for the “transgression.”
The vaccine being “cheap” is also not universal and if you aren’t allowed personal discretionary spending anything >$0 isn’t cheap enough.
Ah yes, conservative women. Known for their full autonomy and independent thinking
You can coax even a grown-ass person to not take the vaccine via misinformation and guilt tripping. Covid is only like 4 years ago it should be still fresh in everyone’s mind.