I have noticed that some CAPTCHA pages, like Cloudflare’s, simply ask you to check a box to proceed. There is no clicking on traffic lights or entering characters. How does clicking on a check box tell them I am not a robot?

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    8 months ago

    Its not sure how it exactly works, but most probably this captcha processes a lot of data like your mouse movement, mouse click but also your browser fingerprints, search history and ip. You can actually get ‘traffic lights’ test from this clicking button captacha if You have privacy protection in place, such as using brave, tor, firefox or mullvad browser and/or vpn, pluse some privacy browser extensions

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    Big part of the internet is going through Cloudflare these days, so it tracks you as you browse, and does something clever to figure out if you’re a robot. Google can do the same, they’ll have a cookie on you. If they’re not sure they’ll show you one of those challenges.

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    Rather than try to unilaterally deprecate and replace CAPTCHA with a single alternative, we built a platform to test many alternatives and rotate new challenges in and out as they become more or less effective.

    With Turnstile, we adapt the actual challenge outcome to the individual visitor or browser. First, we run a series of small non-interactive JavaScript challenges gathering more signals about the visitor/browser environment. Those challenges include, proof-of-work, proof-of-space, probing for web APIs, and various other challenges for detecting browser-quirks and human behavior. As a result, we can fine-tune the difficulty of the challenge to the specific request and avoid ever showing a visual puzzle to a user.

    Turnstile also includes machine learning models that detect common features of end visitors who were able to pass a challenge before. The computational hardness of those initial challenges may vary by visitor, but is targeted to run fast.

    https://developers.cloudflare.com/turnstile/

    TL;DR A bunch of heuristics that it’s hard to spoof all of. Fun side effect of this method is that if you spoof your user agent, you’ll often end up locked out in a loop. Lack of a captcha fallback is obnoxious.

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    You passed the test before you clicked the checkbox. Your mouse movement, momentary pause, IP address, browsing history, etc, gave away that you’re a human.

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        8 months ago

        Because it measures how your mouse moves to the checkbox. If there was nothing to move to, you wouldn’t move your mouse.

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          8 months ago

          I get the checkbox even on mobile sometimes, I imagine as long as you’re not perfectly hitting the center pixel it knows you’re human.

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            Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Touch input is reported similar to mouse input, so it would translate to a touch screen pretty well.

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    8 months ago

    Given the prevalence of cloudflare they could basically assess the trust level of your ass by cross checking how trusted you are on other services also behind cloudflare. If you aren’t utterly suspicious elsewhere you’re likely not a bad agent.

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    8 months ago

    I have two guesses:

    1. Low bar just checks that it gets clicked.
    2. Script on the pages watches mouse movements, etc., and bases its decision on that data.
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      8 months ago

      I’m pretty sure it’s just number 2.

      A program will click the box and hit submit instantly. Or it’d move in a perfectly straight line to either the centre of each or the edge of each and click as quickly as possible.

      Real human movements are not as precise.

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    8 months ago

    I remember a talk about this I watched on YT about this, but I can’t find it now.

    But the way it was described to work was that it looked at how you interacted with the page, how you mouse pointer moved, if it moves too straight between interactive points, how randomly it moves, if you are entering text in a field, how slow are you and do you make mistakes, how do you correct those?

    Then when you click the tickbox it decides based on all those factors if you are human or if you are a bot.

    Those captcha checks on a blank page are probably checking mouse movements, IP, User Agent and more stuff like that to determine it more checks are needed, though it might even be a fake captcha to act like a loading screen

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    8 months ago

    Captchas without a visible challenge use behavioral analysis to differentiate between human users and bots by monitoring mouse movements, keyboard inputs, and other behaviors.

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    8 months ago

    Slight tangent, but if you want to pass the “click on all the images with traffic lights” first time, select one that’s obviously wrong then go back and “change your mind” computers don’t do that and 9/10 times it’ll pass you first time!

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    I had read (in a comment here, so take with a grain of salt) that some had started doing Proof of Work.

    I.E. they ask the visiting computer to do some math. This is potentially less annoying to people than clicking on traffic lights or typing unreadable text, but could get costly if you’re using bots.

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        8 months ago

        It doesn’t block them exactly, but it’s trying to make it uneconomical to target the site using bots - if it now takes 1 second to perform the action rather than 1/100th of a second, you now need 100x more bots to achieve the same effect