Yup. Morality and efficacy of the death penalty left totally aside for the moment, I’m shocked it took this long to use nitrogen instead of the clusterfuck cocktail that’s tortured so many people to death.
One of my state senators introduced a bill that’d let inmates choose execution by a firing squad made up of members of the legislature. Like ‘If you want to kill them so bad, you pull the damn trigger.’
Isn’t going anywhere but I like the sentiment. Real Ned Stark energy.
While that “sounds” good in theory. Many gun nut conservatives (of which many of the legislators come from) would actually welcome the chance to kill another human without representations…
There’s an argument that if you make it less violent, then people will be more willing to accept execution as a valid punishment.
That ignores, of course, that execution favorability has been dropping for 100+ years despite the methods becoming (or at least attempting to become) more humane.
What matters in anyone’s life? Why do you care if I tie your hands together, hang you by a hook in my basement, and punch you in the dick repeatedly every day for 20 years? One day you will die and won’t remember so why does it matter?
Just because someone’s death is imminent doesn’t mean we should torture them, or else why bother keeping this society going? Any society that treats its terminal members that way is certainly not a society worth keeping around.
Which this isn’t, in my opinion. It’s just nicer for the killer and the onlookers. But it’s not a dignified death. If you’re gonna kill people in the name of justice, let them stand up and shoot them.
If you can’t stomach seeing or doing that, then maybe that should tell you something about the death penalty in general.
And how do you know that is the experience, here? When most medical experts say clearly they have no idea whether this is peaceful or torture, how are you so confident it is the former?
I did read the article. He was holding his breath and shaking around.
Death by nitrogen hypoxia isn’t something we invented for executions. I don’t know why news articles are pretending that it’s this brand new untested method of killing people.
I wonder if the shaking around was an attempt to break the mask’s seal. Maybe this method could be improved by using one of those assisted suicide nitrogen pods.
Yea but it’s still better than the ‘lets paralyze you so we feel humane and have your veins be lava for 12 hours as you disintegrate’ evolved option we use.
I’m right there with you though, how the fuck is it that we don’t just put people under like before surgery, and then cut off their access to oxygen? Or a quick gunshot, or a shot with that cattle killing gun? The whole thing is so fucking stupid to me
I’m against the death penalty personally, but the whole thing is so unbelievably absurd to me.
Also, obligatory ayyyy Alabama represent, we made BBC News again
And for anyone who doesn’t put the dots together: a doctor cannot intentionally kill someone. It is the most profound ethics violation everywhere I am aware.
Even in places where there is medical euthanasia, the person must do it to themselves by e.g., pushing a button and someone who is incompetent to do so is ineligible for that euthanasia.
I’m sure there are shady places where this isn’t the rule. But those same places, I suspect, are a lot more practical about execution than all this pseudo-humane “medical execution” crapola.
I think the best way to go, besides snu-snu (nothing will top that method), is to IV enough carfentanil to kill an entire city into the person. Even those with massive opioid tolerances can’t withstand a dose like that. It’s why the fentanyl epidemic was so deadly here.
Makes sense to me (in a world where we’re doing the death penalty. I’m against it, it’s just a ‘if you’re gonna do it, what the hell are y’all doing it that way for’).
Someone rocked my world by pointing out they can’t get doctors involved because of their oaths, which I guess makes sense. But its also still another unbelievably absurd element of this
When it comes to mixed bag news this is as mixed as it gets. If we’re gonna execute people, we can at least do it as humanely as possible.
Yup. Morality and efficacy of the death penalty left totally aside for the moment, I’m shocked it took this long to use nitrogen instead of the clusterfuck cocktail that’s tortured so many people to death.
One of my state senators introduced a bill that’d let inmates choose execution by a firing squad made up of members of the legislature. Like ‘If you want to kill them so bad, you pull the damn trigger.’
Isn’t going anywhere but I like the sentiment. Real Ned Stark energy.
While that “sounds” good in theory. Many gun nut conservatives (of which many of the legislators come from) would actually welcome the chance to kill another human without representations…
There’s an argument that if you make it less violent, then people will be more willing to accept execution as a valid punishment.
That ignores, of course, that execution favorability has been dropping for 100+ years despite the methods becoming (or at least attempting to become) more humane.
Why? If we’re killing people, then who cares how they go? They won’t remember. Only we will remember.
Is this better because we feel less guilt when they don’t scream?
What matters in anyone’s life? Why do you care if I tie your hands together, hang you by a hook in my basement, and punch you in the dick repeatedly every day for 20 years? One day you will die and won’t remember so why does it matter?
But until I die, it matters. Because that is all any of us have, the time until death.
But if death is imminent, and you stick a finger in my butt, who will know or care but you?
Just because someone’s death is imminent doesn’t mean we should torture them, or else why bother keeping this society going? Any society that treats its terminal members that way is certainly not a society worth keeping around.
If you care that much, maybe we should just not kill them. Seems weird to care how they die, but not that they die.
Correct, we should not kill them.
Which this isn’t, in my opinion. It’s just nicer for the killer and the onlookers. But it’s not a dignified death. If you’re gonna kill people in the name of justice, let them stand up and shoot them.
If you can’t stomach seeing or doing that, then maybe that should tell you something about the death penalty in general.
I would WAY rather drift off to sleep forever than be shot to death.
And how do you know that is the experience, here? When most medical experts say clearly they have no idea whether this is peaceful or torture, how are you so confident it is the former?
Did you read the article?
By all reports death by nitrogen is death by induced seizure, which sounds like what happened.
I did read the article. He was holding his breath and shaking around.
Death by nitrogen hypoxia isn’t something we invented for executions. I don’t know why news articles are pretending that it’s this brand new untested method of killing people.
I wonder if the shaking around was an attempt to break the mask’s seal. Maybe this method could be improved by using one of those assisted suicide nitrogen pods.
Yea but it’s still better than the ‘lets paralyze you so we feel humane and have your veins be lava for 12 hours as you disintegrate’ evolved option we use.
I’m right there with you though, how the fuck is it that we don’t just put people under like before surgery, and then cut off their access to oxygen? Or a quick gunshot, or a shot with that cattle killing gun? The whole thing is so fucking stupid to me
I’m against the death penalty personally, but the whole thing is so unbelievably absurd to me.
Also, obligatory ayyyy Alabama represent, we made BBC News again
You need meds for that, and a qualified anesthesiologist.
And for anyone who doesn’t put the dots together: a doctor cannot intentionally kill someone. It is the most profound ethics violation everywhere I am aware.
Even in places where there is medical euthanasia, the person must do it to themselves by e.g., pushing a button and someone who is incompetent to do so is ineligible for that euthanasia.
I’m sure there are shady places where this isn’t the rule. But those same places, I suspect, are a lot more practical about execution than all this pseudo-humane “medical execution” crapola.
I think the best way to go, besides snu-snu (nothing will top that method), is to IV enough carfentanil to kill an entire city into the person. Even those with massive opioid tolerances can’t withstand a dose like that. It’s why the fentanyl epidemic was so deadly here.
Makes sense to me (in a world where we’re doing the death penalty. I’m against it, it’s just a ‘if you’re gonna do it, what the hell are y’all doing it that way for’).
Someone rocked my world by pointing out they can’t get doctors involved because of their oaths, which I guess makes sense. But its also still another unbelievably absurd element of this