• DrM@feddit.de
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    I love QR Code menus, especially when you can order through them.

    But I hate when restaurants force them on you. Just give me the fucking choice so that everyone can order in the way they prefer.

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      Yeah but they can’t data track you through a paper menu, and a company choosing to lose revenue?? impossible

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        most of them only link to a PDF containing the menu anyways, they can’t track you there either

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          Pretty much any webhosted service out there essentially needs to track ip’s (unless they want to be ddos’d), so even the server thats serving the pdf can and will track you

          They could even go the easy route and use something like bit.my to do it for them too

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            If you’re on their WiFi, then they’re just getting the restaurant’s IP. If you’re on mobile data, then they’re getting your carrier IP, which is often inside layers of carrier-grade NAT. Either way, they don’t get much besides knowing you’re attached to a specific carrier.

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              Even then it usually goes through the device’s browser and fingerprints as hard as some JavaScript virtually can, but I figured that was a bit long for the original post

              (I mean shit your device probably tells google itself where its going, much less the connections on the other end)

              edit: and of course this isn’t just the restaurant collecting it cause why would they care, usually its a shady 3rd party that already has a massive profile on you they can cross-reference

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            Yeah, but want I want to say with this: the restaurant gets nothing out of providing the menu only as a PDF. It’s stupid, just give me the OPTION to use a paper card, even though I prefer the PDF

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          Most services that convert a link to a QR code absolutely track their users. bit.ly (the URL shortening company) has a paid service to track where, when, and device IDs of who accessed the link whether it was through their shortened URL or the conveniently generated QR code that they can also make you.

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      See, Im going to speak in defence of the QR code in some places. If I go to a pub, staffed by interchangable 20 somethings who are simultaniously taking orders, wiping tables, pouring drinks, clearing tables… yeah I dont think those menus are getting wiped down all that often.

      If its a restaraunt, or trying to be upmarket… yeah make menus.

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        Maybe if you call ahead they’ll autoclave a menu and a table for you.

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        While I think your opinion is vile, detestable, loathsome, abominable, and evil, I don’t understand why you’re being down voted.
        Thank you for sharing your abhorrent, outrageous, and revolting opinion as it does contribute something meaningful to the discussion.

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          This is a great way to disagree with someone, I feel like Abraham Lincoln could have written it

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    9 months ago
    1. Scan QR code

    2. Hello would you like to let cookies into your life?

    3. Time to navigate the decline cookies menu

    4. Tap menu button/item

    5. Goto 2

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      I like the way you managed to use the correct “whom” to sound posh then completely fucked it up with the “at” on the end :)

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      The Kelly cartoons are done by a progressive pretending to be a conservative. The Onion often gets hate letters from progressives who think it’s genuinely conservative, and more glowing letters from conservatives who think the same.

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      Taking into account that this is the Onion, it’s probably aimed at at everyone like the good ol’ days.

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    Wow, the onion is on point these days. I don’t know how they can produce satire in today’s America.

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    Just been in a restaurant in France that thought a tablet would be a good idea for a menu. Fucking dimwits hadn’t switched off the screen sleep though, and you had to tap it to wake it every thirty seconds

    Plus it was an iPad, which only pensioners use, it was fucking awful

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      That sounds like an entirely unpleasant experience.

      Reading your post inspired me to write a wryly informative yet droll linguistic comment for your edification and enjoyment (and my own entertainment). However my comment may strike you, in any case, I am certain it is entirely unrelated to the miserable experience you describe in your comment, as well as the content of the original post. Ready? Ok.

      At face value, the message is entirely clear from what you’ve written. The restaurant owners required you to use a tablet to browse the menu items they have on offer, and that tablet had a particularly poor user experience.

      However, I found your last sentence quite ambiguous, and interestingly so:

      …it was an iPad which only pensioners use,…

      I see at least three interpretations of this sentence fragment:

      1. iPads, as a category in general, are devices used by pensioners and no one else. (Note: my guess is that this is what you actually meant)
      2. This particular iPad had specific features that indicated all preceding users were pensioners. You don’t mention any of these features, but perhaps there were fingerprints of denture glue on the screen, or a distinct odor of moth balls.
      3. The particular iPad was restricted for use by pensioners only and no others, in which case you’ve broken the law and the Police Nationale are on their way. The laws are strict in France, I don’t make the rules.

      Okay, yes yes, readings 2 and 3 are hyperbolic; however, this was intentional, partially for the lolz, but also to convey a sense of saliency for the respective interpretations.

      The internet comment section is such an interesting treasure trove of human language. See, in typical language use (by typical, I specifically mean how language evolved, as humans in the bush, making sounds at each other around a fire), there are a multitude of cues that go beyond the simple string of words, collectively referred to as “pragmatics.” These are nonverbal cues like body language and facial expression, but also verbal cues like prosody, intonation, and stress. There are also “discourse” level aspects, like how we can follow the overall point of a speaker. (As an example of discourse, I told you up front that my comment would be somewhat amusing and educational, and hopefully I have delivered that to you - if I haven’t, well it’s still the discourse level pragmatics that underlie your feeling of annoyance or disappointment.)

      Another pragmatic element is shared knowledge. Off the bat, we both have some fluency in English, but pragmatically (ha, see what I did there?), that’s a given, but it goes further than that. Friends and family have a history of shared experiences. On the Internet, well we’re both Lemmings, so we likely have an aptitude for technology, as well as other niche hobbies or interests. Shared knowledge is more or less anything that one speaker can assume about another on the basis of experience or overt group membership.

      This is what is so interesting about Internet comments though - the pragmatics of language are often missing! This sentence might have been 100% clear if we had more shared knowledge. Perhaps all that was needed was hearing you say it, which would have carried prosody and stress.

      Anyway, I hope you learned something interesting.

      Was the food good at least?

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    I love people’s absolute moral outrage about scanning a QR code. The same folks crying bc they have to ask for a plastic straws or wear a smal piece of cloth on their face in the grocery store.

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      It’s a genuine security risk.

      Menus aren’t killing the environment either.

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        Yeah, I get wanting to not reprint menus every time something changes, but there are ways to do that which are more convenient and accessible than “scan a QR code to go to a random website and pray you have working internet access and also the site is working and up to date.” Y’know, like a damn menu board on the wall. Whiteboard/chalkboard even!

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          This is my personal preference, a place I used to go a lot had a black board across one whole wall and the menu was hand written on it. The menu changed frequently and it was often full of flourish and creativity from some employee.

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        If you’re using these links as restaurant menus as opposed to ordering platforms (this is how I use them, and how this post & other commenters seem to be presenting the concept) that’s kind of limited to a risk of straight up being phished in a situation where you don’t really have any reason to hand over your information.

        In a pub/bar setting it’s helpful to know what’s available at the bar before I’m standing at it, especially if I’m buying a round. That is to say it generally lowers the bar to menu availability, not raise it. Because before the pub/bar would simply have no table menu and you’d figure out what you wanted by asking or looking at the taps

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          There are clickless exploits and other methods that don’t require you to enter information, nevermind that nearly all of these menus have ordering and payment available through them and mimicking websites is fairly simple.

          QR codes cannot be trusted just like links from unknown sources cannot be trusted.

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            I think you’ll find there isn’t an Android or iPhone on the market today vulnerable to SQL injection or XSS etc via scanning a QR code. You’re talking about device vulnerabilities that get patched and it’s equally possible to encounter these exploits with plaintext URLs

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              You’re talking about device vulnerabilities that get patched

              Patching out zero days takes time.

              it’s equally possible to encounter these exploits with plaintext URLs

              Yes which is why I clearly stated that following URLs from any unknown sources carries risk.

              The difference is that due to menus being a point of payment they have a greater incentive for abuse.

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                So we shouldn’t use smartphone features if they could potentially have exploits? With this logic you shouldn’t have a phone.

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                  We shouldn’t replace perfectly good solutions with unreliable, cumbersome, insecure, annoying shitty tech just because.

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              If the restaurant doesn’t have a good enough reputation that I couldn’t trust the QR they provided (which displays the URL so I can inspect it before launching the web browser), I also wouldn’t want to trust my health to eating there.

              It isn’t like some random thing you found on the sidewalk.

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                I’m pretty sure these are just an echo of the same concerns people put forward when URLs first started being included in signage, due to general privacy/security concerns with the internet. Somehow we got through it!

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      It is a privacy/security issue, not moral. A QR eatery will probably not accept cash either.

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      I dislike qr menus mostly cuz their websites suck and I often don’t carry a phone.

      Edit: Let me just add that as a coder my dream is to one day be hired for a really expensive and complex project and to give them a solution that only uses paper.

      Paper menus are just full color e ink large foldable ipads that don’t weight a thing and are cheap, and have a super accessible interface.

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        I’ve used exactly one QR coded menu that didn’t suck. Every other one was some manner of infuriating, top method being “every item takes up 75%+ of your phone’s screen and is all arranged vertically so it’s impossible to compare two items without scrolling through 3-40 screens worth”.

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      I wear masks, carry stainless steel straws so I don’t have to use paper ones. You want me to eat at your establishment more than once, don’t make me use my phone at meal time.

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      its not a real qr code,
      there is no timing pattern between the 3 big squares.

      there has to be a black and white alternating pattern between the inner corners of the three squares, that afaik is used to determine the size of pixels while scanning.

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        there has to be a black and white alternating pattern between the inner corners of the three squares, that afaik is used to determine the size of pixels while scanning.

        Huh. TIL.