This doesn’t even make sense from a (pretty stupid) “you have to have children” point of view, what is stopping women to have kids later in life, when they’ve got an education, know what they want in life, and are financially and mentally stable enough to raise them?
Of course I know the answer starts with “m” and ends with “isogyny”, but it’s a very stupid take even in its own framework
But anyway, it’s generally a good idea to have children earlier, because you’ll get to spend more time with them and you won’t be the weird old parent in the school. Also health reasons and whatnot.
As for misogyny, I think it’s mostly from one generation to the next and also more often women to women. Most guys that I know would rather postpone having children as long as possible for the same reasons that you’ve stated.
Menopause doesn’t hit before the 40s or so. Plenty of women have children in their 30s. At that point, they have had time to mature, get an education, and build stable circumstances to raise children. Yes, the consequences of the industrial revolution and so on, but those consequences also basically eradicated the child mortality we had before, for instance.
If someone knows they want a family early, good for them, but I don’t blame anyone wanting to experience life before passing it on.
No doubt. I’m glad I had my 20s to roam around before getting kids, but I’m even more happy to still be young enough that I can travel the world and participate in physical activities with my kids as well. Having kids doesn’t have to mean giving up on experiencing life. They’re part of it, and they’re the best people to share it with.
In hindsight, I probably could have cut my party years short by five years without missing a thing.
Having kids was the best thing in my life. It might not be for everybody.
I’m in the late 40s now, and I feel it’s too late to have more by now. I know people who do in that age. Divorced couples going for the late common child or DINKs who finally made enough money. It looks really tough for them.
It’s temporarily hard work for a couple of years. It’s hard if you’re young and don’t have money, but it’s also hard when you’re old and less agile and physical on top.
I mean, I can always decide to argue with someone who seems to disagree but is willing to stick to the rules as argue in good faith. Who knows, maybe one or both of us can learn something. Likewise, I can always decide that someone is so far gone that there’s no point. But to categorically avoid any argument that sounds stupid is not helpful.
Those people are like that because a) they are genuinely bad people, b) they are fueling the fire on purpose, and c) nobody ever convinced them they are stupid.
To not let the a) and b) win, yes, we need to convince people that what they heard is wrong.
Sometimes I do enjoy making conclusions from stupid and insane premises, can be a fun little thinking exercise. There seems to be a little devil’s advocate in my head.
This doesn’t even make sense from a (pretty stupid) “you have to have children” point of view, what is stopping women to have kids later in life, when they’ve got an education, know what they want in life, and are financially and mentally stable enough to raise them?
Of course I know the answer starts with “m” and ends with “isogyny”, but it’s a very stupid take even in its own framework
Menopause.
But anyway, it’s generally a good idea to have children earlier, because you’ll get to spend more time with them and you won’t be the weird old parent in the school. Also health reasons and whatnot.
As for misogyny, I think it’s mostly from one generation to the next and also more often women to women. Most guys that I know would rather postpone having children as long as possible for the same reasons that you’ve stated.
Menopause doesn’t hit before the 40s or so. Plenty of women have children in their 30s. At that point, they have had time to mature, get an education, and build stable circumstances to raise children. Yes, the consequences of the industrial revolution and so on, but those consequences also basically eradicated the child mortality we had before, for instance.
If someone knows they want a family early, good for them, but I don’t blame anyone wanting to experience life before passing it on.
No doubt. I’m glad I had my 20s to roam around before getting kids, but I’m even more happy to still be young enough that I can travel the world and participate in physical activities with my kids as well. Having kids doesn’t have to mean giving up on experiencing life. They’re part of it, and they’re the best people to share it with. In hindsight, I probably could have cut my party years short by five years without missing a thing. Having kids was the best thing in my life. It might not be for everybody.
I’m in the late 40s now, and I feel it’s too late to have more by now. I know people who do in that age. Divorced couples going for the late common child or DINKs who finally made enough money. It looks really tough for them. It’s temporarily hard work for a couple of years. It’s hard if you’re young and don’t have money, but it’s also hard when you’re old and less agile and physical on top.
Well.
You see. J-douche up there? He likes ‘em young and thinks every guy does, too.
Ok, now listen to me. Please, PLEASE, never again say something like
You never know who’s reading this and I guarantee you that there is always someone ready to take that as a personal challenge.
I mean, I can always decide to argue with someone who seems to disagree but is willing to stick to the rules as argue in good faith. Who knows, maybe one or both of us can learn something. Likewise, I can always decide that someone is so far gone that there’s no point. But to categorically avoid any argument that sounds stupid is not helpful.
Those people are like that because a) they are genuinely bad people, b) they are fueling the fire on purpose, and c) nobody ever convinced them they are stupid.
To not let the a) and b) win, yes, we need to convince people that what they heard is wrong.
Sometimes I do enjoy making conclusions from stupid and insane premises, can be a fun little thinking exercise. There seems to be a little devil’s advocate in my head.