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    Its frustrating that they only throw the blame at Trump and “MAGA world” when every single Republican voted for this ridiculous ICE budget.

    Edit.

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        I don’t like this framing as it exonerate Republicans (even if that isn’t what you intended).

        These absolutely are Republicans, and this is what their party has been about since at least Watergate.

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          No it doesn’t, it indicts all of them in the crimes of MAGA. When this is over, MAGA will be designated as a serious, ongoing, violent, seditious, national security threat, and prohibited from existing, promoting, or recruiting, and that will include Republicans. They will have to start a new party, with a new name, that abides by newly reformed campaign Finance laws, and no previous MAGA will be allowed to hold office under 14A/S3.

          The Republican Party is officially dead. They can revive the Whigs.

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    The silence from the Democratic leadership is deafening. Yes there are a few non-progressives that have gone rogue, but for the most part it has been all’s quiet in the chickenshit front.

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      Not sure how y’all didn’t learn from the government shutdown, it was only 2 months ago. Democratic leadership is getting the job done, it’s just that Democrat voters miraculously haven’t realized what “the job” is yet.

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      They’re not chickenshit. They want this. The wealthy need the military in the streets to stop populist uprisings.

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        We need more politicians like Mayor Joker.

        “Can you tell us what you’re doing here today?”

        “Some mayoral candidates take bribes from Big Money. I’m skipping the bribe part and just taking the money, and giving it back to the citizens. Here’s your money, chumps!”

        “What do you hope to accomplish as Mayor of Gotham?”

        “Where to start? Education reform. Every child should have the choice to be in a dual immersion class, and be bilingual. I also want free universal healthcare. Do you think Arkham would have a three year waitlist if everyone had access to free mental health services? And the rich one percenters are gonna pay for it all. Big changes are gonna happen. Hahahaha!”

        “You want the rich to pay for all this, are you like a, socialist?”

        “I’m not like a socialist. I AM a socialist. And together, we’re gonna fix this city!”

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          I am looking forward to the Mayor Joker & Scooby Doo crossover. Batman turns out to be the pharmaceutical CEO, Bruce Wayne!

          …did Luigi kill Bruce Wayne’s father?

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      Once Americans realize that both Democrats and Republicans are controlled by the same puppet master, then we can see change.

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      Americans will whine “but what about the democrats?!?” all the way down the road to fascism.

      Y’all didn’t vote for them, there’s nothing they can do. How about blame the fascism on on the fascists doing it?

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        The democratic leadership are in the absolutely best position to lead the people against fascism though. You’d expect someone like their presidential candidate to stay in the spotlight, being a leader and showing the people what to do, by being at the protests, help planning civil disobedience against fascism, give people hope and will to fight, but instead the people have been left to fend for themselves, with no actual structure or union to gather behind. It’s doomed to fail if the resistance doesn’t have any leadership.

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          Newsome is busy fighting the 5% one time billionaire tax and pandering to Israel….his handlers say funny things online sometimes though

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    Just a reminder that the defense attorney, for the soldiers that gunned down the people during the Boston massacre, was none other than future president John Adams.

    He successfully argued they were in fear for their lives.

    American leaders have NEVER cared about the masses of people. It has always and will always defend and justify the actions of state violence as long as it benefits them to do so. The American revolution was very much just a transfer of power from the Royal British to the rich ruling class in the American colonies. And it has remained that way to this day.

    What is happening now is nothing more than the ruling class resorting to fascist acts, once again, on its own population to maintain that power.

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      Look, I would happily pull the trigger on the execution of a convicted ice, but defense attorneys exist for a reason. Yes, they’re often scum. Yes, they often ‘know’ that their client is guilty (paraphrasing one, don’t tell them you did the crime if you actually did it, it does make their job harder because they do have a duty to not lie in court) yet defend them as rabidly as a junkyard dog with a cat wandering in. Yes, they often posit logic or reasoning that makes the average person want to spit at them for their sheer gall. Yes! THEY GET SOME FUCKING SICK FUCKS LIGHTER SENTENCES OR EVEN ‘OFF…’

      But they are critical in a sane world where the law matters not just as a set of rules but also where there are people dedicated to truth, justice, and ensuring a short-lived tyrannical government cannot just throw people it doesn’t like into jail based on allegations of crimes and get convictions based on whimsy.

      John adams may have helped those six get off, and done it in a manner so similar to modern law enforcement court strategy that it assaults the nose with its stench, but don’t smear him because he did that. Smear him for his presidential actions enforcing the class war.

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      Just a reminder that the defense attorney, for the soldiers that gunned down the people during the Boston massacre, was none other than future president John Adams.

      At the time, they were not advocating for independence, just more autonomy. Giving a fair trial and good representation in that trial was a way to demonstrate that the colonies could provide fair justice without England’s intervention. This is why they were so pissed off when the “Impartial Administration of Justice” Act passed.

      He successfully argued they were in fear for their lives.

      Which was probably fair in this case. The protesters at the “massacre” were throwing rocks at the soldiers. There was reasonable confusion in the moment.

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        Holy shit. You actually did “the Boston massacre was justified”. Licking the boot of King George all the way in 2026.

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          Sorry, I studied American history beyond high school “King George was literally Hitler” propaganda.

          Don’t forget that a major factor motivating the “Patriots” was the fact that England was going to create an Indian reserve (land speculators doing shit like “buying” all of Kentucky for a handful of beads was pretty problematic for peace), and that they were letting the Canadians be Catholic. But sure, we can pretend that expecting the colonists to contribute to the costs of defending them against the Indians they were genociding was horrific oppression.

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      If I were a rich bastard and wanted to stay that way, pissing off the poors would be a thing to avoid. A placid sheep and trusting cow are much easier to exploit.

      The 1% are incredibly stupid.

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        They are not stupid. They firmly believe that happy people are not productive at the level they want. And they want our 150% because they are hoping for AGI and other holy grail technologies to happen in their lifetimes. When you have everything the only goal left is to avoid losing it.

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    And of course the party will say the crowd was engaging in domestic terrorism and all the fox/Newsmax brained dumbfuck morons will slop it up and continue to gobble up the cock of the fascist regime.

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    Are we ready for Lexington and Concord? Because anyone who’s still clinging to the hope peaceful protesting will hold off martial law all the way to the election in November is about to get their fingers stomped on by ICE

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      By that time the “minute men” were already a fairly well armed and organized militia, as far as militias go. I see no viable parallel today, even in nascent form.

      Any armed group greater than around four people is compromised by federal law enforcement, the far right learned this decades ago.

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        Tell that to the Black Panthers who are actually being quite effective in their communities right now. There are a few videos of Black Panthers Philly that are pretty interesting recently. They should make every American proud. Standing up for not only their own rights but their communities rights.

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      They’re just waiting for the day an ice officer gets killed. That is their wet dream. The instant that happens, this crap will ramp up 50 fold. They cannot wait for that moment.

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        It’s sad and true. The elite are pitting untrained, unvetted and violent LARPers against the people in ever-increasingly tense encounters, with no orders except to attack anyone who doesn’t look/speak like them, in the hope the powder keg will ignite. ICE goons are too stupid to see how hard they are being played and how little this regime values them.

        Reminds me of that scene in Enemy at the Gates where they shoot the communication cable to lay a trap, and the Germans send out a repairman they know will get shot so they can get a fix on the snipers. Except in this cartoonishly-villainous timeline, that repairman is wearing brightly colored clothes and a helmet made of upholstery foam. They’re on a suicide mission as canon fodder to start the next phase of this shit.

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      And there will still be people saying not to resist or they’ll declare martial law.

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        ICE escalates

        “Don’t respond with violence or they’ll escalate!”

        ICE escalates regardless

        rinse and repeat.

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      There’s an alternative…

      It’s super easy, would require zero bloodshed.

      Armed protest.

      I’ve never seen a cop shoot a protester when other protestors were in eyeshot with rifles.

      I’ve never even seen ICE where a protestor is visibly armed, because if they see that, they fucking leave.

      The reason shit is so bad is because ICE knows they’ll never be held accountable in court. Literally the only way they believe they could ever face any consequences is if someone shoots them in the moment. And rather than behave when they see armed protestors, they just go to where no one is armed.

      So fuck it, this Merica. Carry a big scary fuck off rifle.

      I guarantee ICE won’t run up on you. And if everywhere they went people showed up with rifles, they’d stop going places all together.

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        This only works in open carry states. In states where it’s not legal (which is a lot of them) armed protestors are just the pretext needed for some mass murder by the state.

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            I’m not arguing for compliance. Just saying that in states like Maryland (where I live) there is almost no legal wiggle room for open carry and even the local cops (forget feds) will use it as an excuse to fuck you up.

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          Everywhere is different, but:

          Whoever carries a BB gun, rifle, or shotgun on or about the person in a public place is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. A person under the age of 21 who carries a semiautomatic military-style assault weapon on or about their person in public place is guilty of a felony. However, one may carry a pistol or a long gun openly with permit to carry a pistol because, the law states that the prohibition on carrying does not include the carrying of a BB gun, rifle, or shotgun by a person who has a permit under section 624.714.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Minnesota

          In Minnesota it’s illegal to open carry a rifle, but only if you don’t have a pistol carry permit. If you have a pistol carry permit, you can open carry a rifle because the rifle law isn’t talking about people with pistol permits apparently.

          It takes a form, up to 30 days to process, and lasts 5 years. And they can’t even deny you for smoking weed:

          https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry

          armed protestors are just the pretext needed for some mass murder by the state.

          Name the last time that happened then if that’s the response.

          If you’re saying just trump will use it as an excuse, what the fuck makes you think he wouldnt just lie and say it happened anyways?

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        I think the opposite - in normal times I wouldn’t think cops would fire on armed protesters, but let’s face it - that’s ICE’s endgame. They’d love nothing more to claim “fear” and unleash the beast.

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          If that was true, then why is it so hard to find a picture/video of ice with a single visibly armed protester in view?

          Like, by your logic they’d be looking for it, yet I’ve been trying and failing to find an example of them just existing with 100 yards of an armed protestor…

          And I can’t understand why people are shocked ICE agents shit and run when they see a gun.

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      Sooner than that, we’re already familiar with unchecked police brutality, anti-protest tactics, corruption of accountability systems. Normalizing happens pretty damn fast when people already expect the behavior.

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      By the end of 2026 it will be considered quaint. The US is inching closer and closer to a Tiananmen Square incident. [Edit] I mean, with tanks and all deployed against the populace.

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    They will escalate their violence in relationship to the nature of the resistance. Their only solution to opposition is some form of violence, so expect it. If they get swarmed by large groups, they will absolutely open fire on crowds. To reduce the damage of this predictable behavior, always leave them a means of escape, a golden bridge to retreat over. If you block them in, they are far more likely to panic and go apeshit on their perceived threats without any regard for anyone or anything but themselves, and will do so with whatever hardwear and equipment they have.

    They will then learn from it, request more tools to address the risks, get it from this admin, and then the next altercation will be more violent from the start. It’s an arms race between ICE and the public and ICE will eventually win. Fighting them outside these altercations must be done to be effective. Fight them anywhere that violence as a solution is not possible, best where their use of violent solutions actually hurts them, that is where they are weakest, most vulnerable. Like people disowning them, ending their relationships, refusing every interpersonal encounter.