Where is the speech in sexualised images of children? What ideas are you putting forward that could be silenced? Getting tired of you amoral sophist freaks, goddamn.
people jerk off the images on the internet. not sure if that’s ‘speech’, but it’s just how it is. pretty much anything can be ‘sexualized’ in that way.
it’s just the context of who is doing the jerking off and to what they are jerking off you find objectionable.
if a bunch of middle aged women made a sub jacking off to teenage boys would you find that equally as objectionable? or is only the fact it was men jacking off to pictures of teenage girls you find upsetting and immoral?
what if the images were fantasy/ai/drawn?
lots of people jack off to things i would be disgusted by, but i’m not sure it’s my place to tell them to stop doing it. anymore than it is my place to tell people what to think, what to feel, how to behave, etc. because i certain don’t agree with a lot of other people’s behaviours, actions, and speech, sexual or not.
As I said - nobody needs children on the internet.
I used to be young on the internet, I did a lot of stupid shit, my peers did a lot of stupid shit. Nowadays you have billions of dollars forcing shit on vulnerable people in algos and content machines, while recording any interaction ever. Nothing for developing minds.
And guess what, if no young people entered the internet, they would not be relying on it for communications or fun, and perheps found other, more healthy options.
And banning it was still a downgrade in freedom of speech for reddit
And the authorities allowing its supporters to be targeted for removal from political discussion is, in my opinion, a downgrade in constitutional protection of free speech
My understanding of jailbait (what an intro to a sentence) is that it’s about adults who look young, not children at all. Maybe my terminology’s behind the times though.
Are you saying it would be different if it was underage girls posting themselves in their underpants?
I think it would, but I’m surprised you’d seem to imply the same in your wording, is why I ask. Most people on the internet don’t admit they agree with me on stuff like this
r/jailbait is protected expression. free speech also grants everyone the right to object & condemn it.
Where is the speech in sexualised images of children? What ideas are you putting forward that could be silenced? Getting tired of you amoral sophist freaks, goddamn.
people jerk off the images on the internet. not sure if that’s ‘speech’, but it’s just how it is. pretty much anything can be ‘sexualized’ in that way.
it’s just the context of who is doing the jerking off and to what they are jerking off you find objectionable.
if a bunch of middle aged women made a sub jacking off to teenage boys would you find that equally as objectionable? or is only the fact it was men jacking off to pictures of teenage girls you find upsetting and immoral?
what if the images were fantasy/ai/drawn?
lots of people jack off to things i would be disgusted by, but i’m not sure it’s my place to tell them to stop doing it. anymore than it is my place to tell people what to think, what to feel, how to behave, etc. because i certain don’t agree with a lot of other people’s behaviours, actions, and speech, sexual or not.
YES.
It’s not that hard to grasp.
Leave anything <18yo outside the internet.
I don’t think we need to have any children here. We should educate them about it, but maybe not let them participate.
AI must be trained on something to create images, so AI should not be trained on any children content, either.
Draw whatever the fuck you want.
But leave children to be children. Until they hit 18, then it’s up to them.
So ban all pictures of anyone under 18 on the internet?
You realize the biggest objectors of that, would be under 18s themselves?
I mean you’re consistent, but that isn’t really pragmatically possible.
As I said - nobody needs children on the internet.
I used to be young on the internet, I did a lot of stupid shit, my peers did a lot of stupid shit. Nowadays you have billions of dollars forcing shit on vulnerable people in algos and content machines, while recording any interaction ever. Nothing for developing minds.
And guess what, if no young people entered the internet, they would not be relying on it for communications or fun, and perheps found other, more healthy options.
OK, well should we ban the eldery too? they are a vulnerable group.
Internet is only for people, what, 18-65?
You know, why not?
The internet should be an alternative, not a default.
that’s not how technology works.
should we go back to writing letters in the mail? no, nobody wants ot do that and nobody would do that.
The cat is out of the bag, there is no going back. We are going forward to having wearable tech and chips in our brains.
And banning it was still a downgrade in freedom of speech for reddit
And the authorities allowing its supporters to be targeted for removal from political discussion is, in my opinion, a downgrade in constitutional protection of free speech
Holy shit, somebody scan this dudes pc asap. I have never wanted tp throw someone into an oubliette this bad. Fukcing creep.
CSAM is not speech, it’s a crime with actual victims.
I thought we were talking about “jailbait” i.e. not CSAM
Sexualized pictures of clothed children exist in a grey area that may or may not be CSAM depending on jurisdiction.
My understanding of jailbait (what an intro to a sentence) is that it’s about adults who look young, not children at all. Maybe my terminology’s behind the times though.
That’s not what the sub was, it was adults posting images of underage girls in their underpants.
Are you saying it would be different if it was underage girls posting themselves in their underpants?
I think it would, but I’m surprised you’d seem to imply the same in your wording, is why I ask. Most people on the internet don’t admit they agree with me on stuff like this
It would depend on the wider context of the community if it was a problem or not.
A community of grown men posting young girls for the express purpose of sexual gratification is the wider context for /r/jailbait, however.
Which is in my opinion not meaningful speech in any way and in fact actively victimizes the girls whose pictures are being creeped on.
Yeah someone else checked me. Cheers though.
Nah that subreddit was for younger ones but not fully nude
Oh, guess I was wrong then. Weird, wonder where I got that impression from
And?
I don’t think I have to explain how victimizing children is generally a bad thing.
Didn’t ask, do you have anything relevant you’re getting at here?
You are the one defending CSAM in the name of free speech.
Nope, and I’ll take your answer as a “nope” too
I didn’t know that it was possible to have negative knowledge about what freedom of speech is, but there your brainwashed ass is talking.
If you think knowledge is negative, you’re simply anti-intellectual
Your reading comprehension checks out. I’ll block you before I get more of your valuable thoughts