who knew libs would get mad at being called out? /s :3

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      “purity test” and it’s not wanting centrists to call themselves leftists

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        90% of what’s going on with people like you psychologically is you just need to feel smarter than others. No one has ever heard the term “radlib” and no one cares about it. You’re not smarter than anyone here.

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            At the moment, I’m not talking about “leftists” or “liberals” or whatever other dividing line you want to define.

            I’m talking about you, personally, right now.

            Solidarity is the only way forward. We prevail when we lift each other up.

            Every other choice is backward.

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              the parable of the scorpion applies here. liberals will always sell us out to fascists when they get the chance or we make to much progress.

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    I’m sorry but discouraging electoral participation is extremely dumb. Until the revolution comes, that’s how change happens.

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      Just one more election, bro. This time we’ll get on track. Just one more election, bro. This one is the most important one in our lives. Just one more election, bro. /s

      Disclaimer: Vote, if you want to (it’s not too much of a hassle for me, so I indulge in some elections, too). But please don’t volunteer for electoral campaigns if there are better options available to get polieically engaged (there always are).

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        If you are fighting and have a weapon, why not using it? Even if it’s a dull knife it can help.

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          I’m not really understanding the metaphor. In what way did I tell you “not to use the weapon”? I literally said “vote, if you want to”.

          In your metaphor, I’d be saying “don’t put energy into learning how to use a butterknife, if better options are available”.

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        Yeah, so if someone is telling me not to vote and they aren’t currently revolting, I’m discounting them as counterproductive at best.

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          I am not telling you not to vote.

          I am telling you not to wait for the revolution to come to you, but instead to be the revolution.

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    Hey!!! … I kind of like most of what see about AOC

    • I mean there are no true Scottsman on the left, and I get as an anarchist all politicians are vile, but… can we have at least have one or two?
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      this would make sense for actual (democratic) socialists, not socdems like AOC, Bernie Sanders or Mamdani

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        I mean…the DSA’s whole playbook is running on dem tickets, then voting out the establishment leadership once you have a majority and grabbing that pocketbook.

        the two party system is designed specifically to neuter 3rd parties. until the US has proportional and un-gerrymandered representation that doesn’t change.

        Bernie is kinda doing his own thing, AOC has to know the Dem’s are crooked as fuck by now…guarentee you any kind of proper progressive reform passes through congress and she votes alongside the DSA. and mamdani especially is classic DSA-dino.

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            interesting, the various zionist rags out there are all complaining his cabinet has too many anti-zionist connections…ime whoever’s on the opposite side of those tends to be right.

            personally, my own thought on this would be…why the fuck should a NYC mayoral office give two shits about israel one way or the other again?

            they’re managing NYC not Zion, so why should anyone care at all about their personal views on it matter, unless they’re actively/directly helping israel level apartment blocs and starve babies it is entirely irrelevant.

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    How about we just stand with whoever opposes our current authoritarian government and try to get them out of power instead of pulling this “holier than thou” crap.

    Edit: Wild how there are so many comments on this post accusing users of being liberals because they are disagreeing with this devisive messaging.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/385509607_Infiltration_and_Instigation_Analyzing_the_FBI_and_CIA’s_Role_in_Anti-War_and_Civil_Rights_Movements_of_the_1960s-1970s

    Students for a Democratic Society (SDS): SDS was one of the most influential student organizations of the anti-war era, mobilizing large-scale protests and advocating for democratic socialism and direct action against the Vietnam War. Through Operation CHAOS, the CIA infiltrated SDS chapters, gathering intelligence on its membership and strategies. The agency’s informants sometimes instigated aggressive actions or created tensions between factions within the group, contributing to its eventual dissolution. By sowing division and encouraging splintering, the CIA effectively weakened SDS as a unified force, reducing its influence over the national anti-war movement.

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      Liberals literally have never opposed Authoritarianism in any meaningful way

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      Liberals never act meaningfully to threaten authoritarianism.

      Liberals protect the state. The state protects authoritarianism. When leftists undertake direct action to protect the population against such oppressive systems, liberals pretend that leftists are the greater enemy.

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      That’s not purity testing, though. The DNC is not leftist. They’re capitalist and some individuals are (arguably) socdems at best.

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      Get lost with your purity test nonsense. It’s always libs trying to shit on actual leftists for not tolerating their crap. You are not leftists, there is no purity test when you’re not on our side.

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          Liberalism is in opposition to us. Liberalism is friends with fascism, it protects the capitalist system and ruling class.

          Wake me up when you’re ready to burn down the state and end capitalism and we can be friends. But once you reach that stage you won’t be a liberal any more, so it won’t matter.

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        Hey Deceptichum, what do you eat? Because if purity tests for “actual leftism” are on the menu, boy do I have a fuck of an unnecessary hierarchical power structure perpetuated for profit and justified by “the natural order” which results in the exploitation, torture, and murder of billions of an oppressed underclass that you just have to give your opinion about.

        … Or is “actual leftism” just “give or take whatever my views are”?

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            That’s really cool. Right on. I assume you wouldn’t go around calling people fake leftists for not being vegan. I wouldn’t, despite animal agriculture being one of the most entrenched establishments in modern society and completely antithetical to leftist principles. That’s not rooted in strategy either; that’s just acknowledging that “leftism” isn’t a monolith and that everybody has their own journeys. I don’t see them as “not leftists” despite unquestioningly participating in a system that spits in the face of every leftist ideal I know and causes unimaginable suffering and damage because of it.

            Some of the shit in this image is obviously non-leftist like anti-antifa and Joe Biden, but it’s mixed in with center-left politicians and ideas – like you’re not a “real leftist” if you support sensible gun control, voting, a couple politicians who’ve probably inspired a leftist awakening in millions of people, and uh… Corporate appropriation of gay culture? This image has to be old as dirt, because I don’t know anyone these days who applauds that while self-describing as “a leftist”.

            Some of these are obvious; some of them just seem like obnoxious purity tests that drive people away from leftism. The way they’re mixed in together seems disingenuous.

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              What do trolls eat?

              You are definitely not leftist if you advocate for the state consolidating control over arms leaving the working class defenseless. Leftists understand that community self defense is the only means to challenge the massive systemic violence inherent in capitalism.

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      You don’t know what those words mean.

      You just imagined they would be useful for you to validate your antagonism.