OP’s account is 15 days old and has posted nothing but divisive bs. Getting more and more common lately. I guess that’s a sign of Lemmy getting more populated.
Get lost with your purity test nonsense. It’s always libs trying to shit on actual leftists for not tolerating their crap. You are not leftists, there is no purity test when you’re not on our side.
Liberalism is in opposition to us. Liberalism is friends with fascism, it protects the capitalist system and ruling class.
Wake me up when you’re ready to burn down the state and end capitalism and we can be friends. But once you reach that stage you won’t be a liberal any more, so it won’t matter.
Hey Deceptichum, what do you eat? Because if purity tests for “actual leftism” are on the menu, boy do I have a fuck of an unnecessary hierarchical power structure perpetuated for profit and justified by “the natural order” which results in the exploitation, torture, and murder of billions of an oppressed underclass that you just have to give your opinion about.
… Or is “actual leftism” just “give or take whatever my views are”?
I’ll bet you wouldn’t be "yet you participate in society"ing all but maybe a small handful of exceptions for self-described leftists who remain on Twitter, so I’m not sure why you’re doing it here. I mean – just a hunch – I do: you probably have this exact misalignment between leftist values and leftist beliefs and actions, and so you’re trying to justify it through learned helplessness and comparing it to parts of society that basically aren’t possible to opt out of. Again, of course, that doesn’t make you not a leftist.
But this isn’t even that. Like I said, it’s not just participating in animal agriculture but doing so basically unquestioningly. Often at most it’ll be “boy, factory farms sure are the problem here and not the system as a whole”. That’s why I not only asked what they ate but what their opinion on it is.
So what are your actual beliefs? Tell me I wasn’t just dead-on about the dime-a-dozen leftist perspective on veganism as something separate from leftism or, at best, as an act of radical environmentalism that one can take or leave because it’s basically fungible to any other act of environmentalism.
Or was the bullshit assumption the one I’d made about Twitter? That you wouldn’t gatekeep leftism based on whether people participate on a neo-Nazi social media website? There may be sensible exceptions, but that’s where things start to break down for me, personally.
Geez. Buy me a drink first, before you want my life story. /s
Tell me I wasn’t just dead-on about the dime-a-dozen leftist perspective on veganism as something separate from leftism or, at best, as an act of radical environmentalism that one can take or leave because it’s basically fungible to any other act of environmentalism.
Will do: you weren’t dead-on.
Of course anarchism includes critique of consuming animal products. But that doesn’t mean that a boycott is the correct strategy, let alone bullying others to partake in the boycott. Also: the way you phrased it was just whataboutism.
That you wouldn’t gatekeep leftism based on whether people participate on a neo-Nazi social media website?
I’m not here to gatekeep. Just want clarity in political terms.
That’s really cool. Right on. I assume you wouldn’t go around calling people fake leftists for not being vegan. I wouldn’t, despite animal agriculture being one of the most entrenched establishments in modern society and completely antithetical to leftist principles. That’s not rooted in strategy either; that’s just acknowledging that “leftism” isn’t a monolith and that everybody has their own journeys. I don’t see them as “not leftists” despite unquestioningly participating in a system that spits in the face of every leftist ideal I know and causes unimaginable suffering and damage because of it.
Some of the shit in this image is obviously non-leftist like anti-antifa and Joe Biden, but it’s mixed in with center-left politicians and ideas – like you’re not a “real leftist” if you support sensible gun control, voting, a couple politicians who’ve probably inspired a leftist awakening in millions of people, and uh… Corporate appropriation of gay culture? This image has to be old as dirt, because I don’t know anyone these days who applauds that while self-describing as “a leftist”.
Some of these are obvious; some of them just seem like obnoxious purity tests that drive people away from leftism. The way they’re mixed in together seems disingenuous.
You are definitely not leftist if you advocate for the state consolidating control over arms leaving the working class defenseless. Leftists understand that community self defense is the only means to challenge the massive systemic violence inherent in capitalism.
Gatekeeping and purity tests are super productive.
OP’s account is 15 days old and has posted nothing but divisive bs. Getting more and more common lately. I guess that’s a sign of Lemmy getting more populated.
That’s not purity testing, though. The DNC is not leftist. They’re capitalist and some individuals are (arguably) socdems at best.
Get lost with your purity test nonsense. It’s always libs trying to shit on actual leftists for not tolerating their crap. You are not leftists, there is no purity test when you’re not on our side.
Stfu and punch a fascist and stop trying to divide the only friends your side has left.
Liberalism is in opposition to us. Liberalism is friends with fascism, it protects the capitalist system and ruling class.
Wake me up when you’re ready to burn down the state and end capitalism and we can be friends. But once you reach that stage you won’t be a liberal any more, so it won’t matter.
Hey Deceptichum, what do you eat? Because if purity tests for “actual leftism” are on the menu, boy do I have a fuck of an unnecessary hierarchical power structure perpetuated for profit and justified by “the natural order” which results in the exploitation, torture, and murder of billions of an oppressed underclass that you just have to give your opinion about.
… Or is “actual leftism” just “give or take whatever my views are”?
Yet you participate in society.jpeg
I’ll bet you wouldn’t be "yet you participate in society"ing all but maybe a small handful of exceptions for self-described leftists who remain on Twitter, so I’m not sure why you’re doing it here. I mean – just a hunch – I do: you probably have this exact misalignment between leftist values and leftist beliefs and actions, and so you’re trying to justify it through learned helplessness and comparing it to parts of society that basically aren’t possible to opt out of. Again, of course, that doesn’t make you not a leftist.
But this isn’t even that. Like I said, it’s not just participating in animal agriculture but doing so basically unquestioningly. Often at most it’ll be “boy, factory farms sure are the problem here and not the system as a whole”. That’s why I not only asked what they ate but what their opinion on it is.
That’s a lot of bullshit assumptions you utter about a stranger on the internet.
So what are your actual beliefs? Tell me I wasn’t just dead-on about the dime-a-dozen leftist perspective on veganism as something separate from leftism or, at best, as an act of radical environmentalism that one can take or leave because it’s basically fungible to any other act of environmentalism.
Or was the bullshit assumption the one I’d made about Twitter? That you wouldn’t gatekeep leftism based on whether people participate on a neo-Nazi social media website? There may be sensible exceptions, but that’s where things start to break down for me, personally.
Geez. Buy me a drink first, before you want my life story. /s
Will do: you weren’t dead-on.
Of course anarchism includes critique of consuming animal products. But that doesn’t mean that a boycott is the correct strategy, let alone bullying others to partake in the boycott. Also: the way you phrased it was just whataboutism.
I’m not here to gatekeep. Just want clarity in political terms.
I eat a plant based diet.
That’s really cool. Right on. I assume you wouldn’t go around calling people fake leftists for not being vegan. I wouldn’t, despite animal agriculture being one of the most entrenched establishments in modern society and completely antithetical to leftist principles. That’s not rooted in strategy either; that’s just acknowledging that “leftism” isn’t a monolith and that everybody has their own journeys. I don’t see them as “not leftists” despite unquestioningly participating in a system that spits in the face of every leftist ideal I know and causes unimaginable suffering and damage because of it.
Some of the shit in this image is obviously non-leftist like anti-antifa and Joe Biden, but it’s mixed in with center-left politicians and ideas – like you’re not a “real leftist” if you support sensible gun control, voting, a couple politicians who’ve probably inspired a leftist awakening in millions of people, and uh… Corporate appropriation of gay culture? This image has to be old as dirt, because I don’t know anyone these days who applauds that while self-describing as “a leftist”.
Some of these are obvious; some of them just seem like obnoxious purity tests that drive people away from leftism. The way they’re mixed in together seems disingenuous.
What do trolls eat?
You are definitely not leftist if you advocate for the state consolidating control over arms leaving the working class defenseless. Leftists understand that community self defense is the only means to challenge the massive systemic violence inherent in capitalism.
Is Genocide Joe anti-capitalist?
What year is it?
Has Genocide Joe recently become anti-capitalist?
You don’t know what those words mean.
You just imagined they would be useful for you to validate your antagonism.