Do you think the way your society operates it could handle everyone also being armed? Like, really? You’ve seen disputes escalate for no reason and you’ve seen insane people, people itching to hurt others… in a utopic land where everyone is both righteous and emotionally stable, sure, but in any other case it feels irresponsible and highly dangerous, IMO.
Yes, combined with a strong community focus such as in Rojava or Zapatista Chiapas you can see how this play out.
Such extreme acts as you are describing are rarities that most people will never experience or see in their life. Not having access to firearms has not prevented such acts in the past, nor have the police. Being able to protect yourself from them would be far more beneficial if that was a genuine concern of ones.
In an idealised utopia there would be no need for weapons of any kind, but that is not what is being called for.
Not having access to firearms has not prevented such acts in the past, nor have the police
Yes it has and goddamn I’m tired of showing you morons the science you refuse to look for, (because you don’t like it.)
First off, if a law which prevented someone from getting a gun did actually prevent a massacre, how would you know about it? You got some Minority Report precogs in a kiddy pool?
Gun control works on gun violence as surely as antibiotics do on bacterial infections
Do bacterial infections still happen? Yeah. Even really bad ones when antibiotics, for some reason, don’t work? Yeah.
Does that mean antibiotics don’t work and shouldn’t be used? Ni ofc fucking not.
If you can’t see how “gun control won’t ever work” is garbage quality American gun lobby rhetoric, then you should never discuss politics, ever.
Those extreme acts happen because of social conditions. Having access to guns does make them worse but they shouldn’t happen in the first place. The problem with mass shootings isn’t guns, it’s the people who malfunction. The solution isn’t to ban guns but to improve social programs. The only thing banning guns does is make resisting the other people with guns, whether police or criminal, a lot more difficult.
People with knives can kill much more than just one person. I was reading a story a few days ago about a village somewhere in SEA where a man killed his family and neighbors long before anyone ever got to him.
Likewise countries with high gun ownership can also not have frequent mass killings. What you’re really describing there is just America.
An armed populace can do more to resist a fascist or otherwise oppressive government than an unarmed one. As a minority who has historically (and contemporarily in other countries) been persecuted by the state for the crime of existing, I don’t feel comfortable leaving my life in their fickle hands.
What you’re really describing there is just America.
The US is by far the exception in supposedly “developed” high-income countries. Literally not a single other one has anything even close to resembling the utter shitshow of gun violence that the US is brimming with.
With far more people dying of gun-related causes annually in the United States than in other high-income countries, U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, M.D., officially declared firearm violence a public health crisis on June 25, 2024.
New Report Highlights U.S. 2022 Gun-Related Deaths: Firearms Remain Leading Cause of Death for Children and Teens, and Disproportionately Affect People of Color
But please, tell me how it’s just minority teenagers in gangs and how that somehow makes it okay.
I was reading a story a few days ago about a village somewhere in SEA where a man killed his family and neighbors long before anyone ever got to him.
Anecdotes are neat.
You realize they’re not actually data, though, right? You do realize this?
You realize that countries without gun-freaks also have far, far less knife crime as well, by the numbers, compared to knife crime in gun-riddled countries? Like, you realize that it’s just plain safer in general, right?
If you’ve never left your county, I recommend a vacation.
Do you think the way your society operates it could handle everyone also being armed? Like, really? You’ve seen disputes escalate for no reason and you’ve seen insane people, people itching to hurt others… in a utopic land where everyone is both righteous and emotionally stable, sure, but in any other case it feels irresponsible and highly dangerous, IMO.
Yes, combined with a strong community focus such as in Rojava or Zapatista Chiapas you can see how this play out.
Such extreme acts as you are describing are rarities that most people will never experience or see in their life. Not having access to firearms has not prevented such acts in the past, nor have the police. Being able to protect yourself from them would be far more beneficial if that was a genuine concern of ones.
In an idealised utopia there would be no need for weapons of any kind, but that is not what is being called for.
Yes it has and goddamn I’m tired of showing you morons the science you refuse to look for, (because you don’t like it.)
First off, if a law which prevented someone from getting a gun did actually prevent a massacre, how would you know about it? You got some Minority Report precogs in a kiddy pool?
Do bacterial infections still happen? Yeah. Even really bad ones when antibiotics, for some reason, don’t work? Yeah.
Does that mean antibiotics don’t work and shouldn’t be used? Ni ofc fucking not.
If you can’t see how “gun control won’t ever work” is garbage quality American gun lobby rhetoric, then you should never discuss politics, ever.
That’s a really wrong assessment.
Extreme acts without gun: punches, maybe knifes. One person hurts one other person.
Extreme acts with guns: one person shoots down 35 other people.
Not having firearms DID in fact prevent such killings. See any country without mass gun ownership
Every country has mass gun ownership by the state, and every state uses guns to repress the population.
Those extreme acts happen because of social conditions. Having access to guns does make them worse but they shouldn’t happen in the first place. The problem with mass shootings isn’t guns, it’s the people who malfunction. The solution isn’t to ban guns but to improve social programs. The only thing banning guns does is make resisting the other people with guns, whether police or criminal, a lot more difficult.
People with knives can kill much more than just one person. I was reading a story a few days ago about a village somewhere in SEA where a man killed his family and neighbors long before anyone ever got to him.
Likewise countries with high gun ownership can also not have frequent mass killings. What you’re really describing there is just America.
An armed populace can do more to resist a fascist or otherwise oppressive government than an unarmed one. As a minority who has historically (and contemporarily in other countries) been persecuted by the state for the crime of existing, I don’t feel comfortable leaving my life in their fickle hands.
And how is that going for the USA? haven’t seen a single person resist with guns yet.
It also goes the other way, fascists could take control of a legitimate government.
The US is by far the exception in supposedly “developed” high-income countries. Literally not a single other one has anything even close to resembling the utter shitshow of gun violence that the US is brimming with.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/2024/oct/comparing-deaths-gun-violence-us-other-countries
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens
But please, tell me how it’s just minority teenagers in gangs and how that somehow makes it okay.
Anecdotes are neat.
You realize they’re not actually data, though, right? You do realize this?
You realize that countries without gun-freaks also have far, far less knife crime as well, by the numbers, compared to knife crime in gun-riddled countries? Like, you realize that it’s just plain safer in general, right?
If you’ve never left your county, I recommend a vacation.