• Mighty@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    That’s a really wrong assessment.

    Extreme acts without gun: punches, maybe knifes. One person hurts one other person.

    Extreme acts with guns: one person shoots down 35 other people.

    Not having firearms DID in fact prevent such killings. See any country without mass gun ownership

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      2 days ago

      Those extreme acts happen because of social conditions. Having access to guns does make them worse but they shouldn’t happen in the first place. The problem with mass shootings isn’t guns, it’s the people who malfunction. The solution isn’t to ban guns but to improve social programs. The only thing banning guns does is make resisting the other people with guns, whether police or criminal, a lot more difficult.

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      3 days ago

      People with knives can kill much more than just one person. I was reading a story a few days ago about a village somewhere in SEA where a man killed his family and neighbors long before anyone ever got to him.

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      Likewise countries with high gun ownership can also not have frequent mass killings. What you’re really describing there is just America.

      An armed populace can do more to resist a fascist or otherwise oppressive government than an unarmed one. As a minority who has historically (and contemporarily in other countries) been persecuted by the state for the crime of existing, I don’t feel comfortable leaving my life in their fickle hands.

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        An armed populace can do more to resist a fascist or otherwise oppressive government

        And how is that going for the USA? haven’t seen a single person resist with guns yet.

        It also goes the other way, fascists could take control of a legitimate government.

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        2 days ago

        What you’re really describing there is just America.

        The US is by far the exception in supposedly “developed” high-income countries. Literally not a single other one has anything even close to resembling the utter shitshow of gun violence that the US is brimming with.

        https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/2024/oct/comparing-deaths-gun-violence-us-other-countries

        With far more people dying of gun-related causes annually in the United States than in other high-income countries, U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, M.D., officially declared firearm violence a public health crisis on June 25, 2024.

        https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier

        Age-adjusted firearm homicide rates in the US are 33 times greater than in Australia and 77 times greater than in Germany.

        Gun violence accounts for over 8% of deaths in the US among those under age 20.

        https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens

        New Report Highlights U.S. 2022 Gun-Related Deaths: Firearms Remain Leading Cause of Death for Children and Teens, and Disproportionately Affect People of Color

        But please, tell me how it’s just minority teenagers in gangs and how that somehow makes it okay.

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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        2 days ago

        I was reading a story a few days ago about a village somewhere in SEA where a man killed his family and neighbors long before anyone ever got to him.

        Anecdotes are neat.

        You realize they’re not actually data, though, right? You do realize this?

        You realize that countries without gun-freaks also have far, far less knife crime as well, by the numbers, compared to knife crime in gun-riddled countries? Like, you realize that it’s just plain safer in general, right?

        If you’ve never left your county, I recommend a vacation.