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    The big problem, I think, is that a relationship-oriented Europe has hit a transactional American administration. To Trump, you are only a friend if you are convenient. To Europeans, you don’t throw away 80 years of alliance over a few poor decisions.

    For Macron to say that the US is turning away from its European allies is like filing divorce papers. The Europeans will never consider the US an ally again. Like a recently divorced person, they are lost at sea trying to figure out what’s next, but it’s not going to be a return to the abusive relationship.

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      EU vs. Trump/Brexit/etc. has been a very different understanding of the world for years: Win-win vs. Zero-sum. We need to get rid of the latter and push for the better. Win-win should be the foundation of a united world.

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      Europe has had a long history to look back on. US is still in that teenage hormonal phase and doesn’t know what to do despite being spoiled for 80 years.

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        I do keep thinking about how the USA probably sees itself as ‘fortress Egypt’, but it’s kinda probably more like the Hittite empire idk*

        *this involved and deeply flawed analogy was brought to you by squarespace do you or your buddies need a website or domain in that case you should

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    Can’t say this often enough: Politico is part of Axel Springer, one if the most evil right agitating news agencies you can find in Germany.

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    Good lord man it’s gone rabid and is shitting in our faces.

    I mean ok yeah it’s been doing it for a while, but now it’s beyond overt.

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    Macron is 8 years late with his comments. Helsinki 2018 revealed the orange mofo’s intentions and goals.

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    This will affect everyone… No more travel visas or maybe migration issues like passports not accepted everywhere we go for vacation.

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      if it means we won’t send our personal data freely to the US anymore and will FINALLY start to tax all these american firms laundering their immense profits over here, ripping all of us off in the process - that’s something I’ll whole-heartedly welcome to happen.

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        Sounds about right. We’re basically financial hostages or slaves here. We work, to have companies extract most value off our labor and be left fending for ourselves when the shit hits the fan in health or job loss, divorce, accident etc etc. There’s no improvement. My dad made furniture and could barely afford a house. I’m white collar worker and now too can barely afford a house. There’s no generational wealth accumulation.

        So hopefully big companies extracting wealth from us and up in a big wealth super Nova. Ejecting globs of wealth left and right creating small spin off companies.

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    The goons in power are turning on allies and everyone else except those loyal to the old, orange, rapist, felon unless they pledge loyalty or pay him off.

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            What, how did you get that out of what I wrote? He should have called out Trump’s bullshit a long time ago.

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              I’m pretty sure he has. And he’s doing it again now, but you’re giving him shit for it. So according to your logic no one should ever call it out, because once it makes headlines then people like you will come along saying “hE sHoUlD hAvE aLrEaDy DoNe ThAt!” as if the previous times don’t count for anything.

              So might as well not make headlines, right?

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      France has been barely friends with the US for a long time. That the US has a flee up their bum because of France should be common knowledge by now. The French are unapologetically chauvinist and proud about their culture. They often make jokes about the lack of yank culture. They have been very loud about taxing US companies, they are one of the few European countries that try to have their own military equipment production, they spend inordinate amount of money removing US tech from their government and are loud and proud of their “la French tech”.

      Charles de Gaulle was pro-Europe and anti-USA long before Macron was even born. The very reason there are jokes about French losing wars is because of US propaganda - it flat out false. France has had a very successful military (to the horror of those who lost against them). They are actually one of the most successful militaries in the world. Yankees have regularly lost against the French in war games.

      Just because you’re finally aware the French disdain for seppos doesn’t change reality.

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        Okay, so why did it take Macron so long to call the US out? You answered a question I didn’t ask.

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          I answered. He already figured it out long ago. Now’s just the acceptable time to say it.

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            Now’s just the acceptable time to say it.

            That’s the problem. Waiting until it is “acceptable.”

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          Cause now is the time when the only moderately functional military in western Europe can make her own claim for hegemony.

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    Oh you realized? Fucking finally, now do something. Something productive.

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    Yeah, they’ve been a long time, but only since Trump 2.0 made it crystal clear such that even politicians can now see it. So pls guys do something about it. You get a lot of taxpayer money, use it wisely ffs

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    This dumb dumb thinks the USA has allies. And they even let him be president of France

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      France is the only western country that wasn’t ‘dumb dumb’ after WWII and completely relied on the US.

      Starting with CDG France has a long history of being sceptical of the US and NATO as a guarantor for European security.

      Macron might be unpopular at home, but in terms of geopolitical issues and EU issues he is the opposite of a dumdum.

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        Isnt he the guy who wants Brasil to give up the Amazon Forest, that opposed the liberation movements in Sahel, thats saying he will send troops to Ukraine and that bombed Syria last week? How is that good?

        Maybe im wrong, but he looks like a plain colonizer to me

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            It really depends if you are pro or against ww3, so maybe you are snitching your pro war position too. Are you enlisted to go yet?

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              You’re a fucking idiot if you think appeasement and concession will avoid WWIII. russia will invade Europe if Europe doesn’t maintain their forces as a deterrent.

              Letting russia have its way with Ukraine isn’t being “anti-war,” you dunce. It would be rewarding hostile powers for aggressive military invasions, incentivizing others to do the same.

              But then again, you might be on the kremlin’s payroll, so perhaps you already know that and that’s your whole point for being here in the first place.

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                  Dumb fuck. World powers shouldn’t appease the US either. These dictators feed on one another: putin, netanyahu, trump. Each one who gets away with it encourages the rest to do the same.

                  The only way out of this is to meet dictators with strength, to teach them they won’t get away with it because there are powers in the world who won’t let them.

                  You advocating for disarming Europe is basically saying “hand the world over to the dictators.” And that’s fucking stupid.