i mean that was somewhat tongue in cheek but law enforcement is fundamentally the state’s way of enacting violence in line with whatever it’s leaders see fit - which imo at the very least has fascistic elements.
what about the french national police massacring hundreds of peaceful Algerians explicitly due to racism, with full governmental support and subsequent censorship, led by Maurice Papon, an actual Nazi coraborator who deported thousands of Jewish people to concentration camps only to spend 4 years in jail 30 years later (while serving in government all that time) - would you call that a rule of law that applies equally to everyone?
at what point do we look at these “individual incidents” and start questioning the whole system of oppression?
I don’t think it’s just the lawmakers that want laws enforced. Most civilians also do, in my experience, and if it’s a reflection of the will of the population, maintained by elected officials, it’s by definition not fascist. Fascism is about central control. In a healthy society powers are compartmentalized to prevent any sort of absolute authority. You can bring up all kinds of examples of injustices, but injustice is the fascism, not law and order.
I guess my point is that from the perspective of the oppressed the distinction between “democracy” and “fascism” is functionally meaningless.
I feel your point is that in the abstract “law and order” isn’t inherently fascistic, but in practice what difference does it make? One group enacts centralized violence against another, fully in line with the laws that they themselves have set. To the in-group, this is legitimate law and order. To those targeted, it’s fascistic oppression.
So then are the people fascist, or does the system create fascistic outcomes even when people think they’re just supporting “law and order”?
… it’s weird that the seal contains a fasces
Bit of a stretch, no? I certainly see an axe… but while all fasces are axes not all axes are fasces, obviously.
https://www.elysee.fr/en/french-presidency/the-lictor-s-fasces
Wasn’t a guess, it’s a fasces
Ah, I see. So not necessarily a fascist symbol, but a symbol of law enforcement. Okay.
so a fascist symbol…
Rule of law and law enforcement are fascism to you? That’s a fascinating opinion… lmao
i mean that was somewhat tongue in cheek but law enforcement is fundamentally the state’s way of enacting violence in line with whatever it’s leaders see fit - which imo at the very least has fascistic elements.
would you say that killing almost exclusively Arab and African people, tear gassing, shooting and brutalizing protestors because they disagree with governmental policies is not in any way fascistic?
what about the french national police massacring hundreds of peaceful Algerians explicitly due to racism, with full governmental support and subsequent censorship, led by Maurice Papon, an actual Nazi coraborator who deported thousands of Jewish people to concentration camps only to spend 4 years in jail 30 years later (while serving in government all that time) - would you call that a rule of law that applies equally to everyone?
at what point do we look at these “individual incidents” and start questioning the whole system of oppression?
I don’t think it’s just the lawmakers that want laws enforced. Most civilians also do, in my experience, and if it’s a reflection of the will of the population, maintained by elected officials, it’s by definition not fascist. Fascism is about central control. In a healthy society powers are compartmentalized to prevent any sort of absolute authority. You can bring up all kinds of examples of injustices, but injustice is the fascism, not law and order.
I guess my point is that from the perspective of the oppressed the distinction between “democracy” and “fascism” is functionally meaningless.
I feel your point is that in the abstract “law and order” isn’t inherently fascistic, but in practice what difference does it make? One group enacts centralized violence against another, fully in line with the laws that they themselves have set. To the in-group, this is legitimate law and order. To those targeted, it’s fascistic oppression.
So then are the people fascist, or does the system create fascistic outcomes even when people think they’re just supporting “law and order”?