• Staiden@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      I’m absolutely fine with 1.5 million. I enjoy lemmy much more than reddit. I feel like content and conversations here are better. None of the karma farming and corporate promotion disguised as natural content.

      • lad@programming.devEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        Although you’re correct, I find fediverse lacking in the department of the more niche stuff, e.g. fandoms of specific games, communities by geo proximity, obscure hobbies.

        But well, Reddit wasn’t like this from the start and I hope the diversity and smaller communities will be here instead of there with time.

        • triclops6@lemmy.caEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          Former r/fountainpens Reddit refugee here, and I agree 1.5m users doesn’t generate the kind of traffic for my hobby to figure in any sort of way. I miss the engagement

        • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nlEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yep, I used to be on r/diyhotas and that was already a niche within the HOTAS niche within the simulator game niche 😂

  • rsuri@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    I’m happy with this. I feel like Lemmy is an oasis of nerds in a social media world of toxic people obsessed with all the wrong things.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    For the biggest ones: How many of those active users are bots, advertisers, and scammers? I’d guess about half on Facebook.

    Also, is it considered “active” if you have a dormant account but have the app installed on your phone and it still watches what you’re doing? What if you only use it to communicate with family because it’s the only internet they understand?

    Further, what about duplicate accounts or “secretive” secondary accounts so you can click on the depraved stuff you like without that showing in your public feed?

    I feel like the real numbers for the big ones are massively inflated by issues like these.

    The Fediverse is small enough to as of yet not be affected. Once it gets large enough, it will have all of this, too.

    • jergy@lemmy.whynotdrs.orgOPEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      For sure.

      with respect to bots, as of this time I don’t think it’s a problem that can be fully solved, although I do think over a long enough timeline the fediverse is probably the best suited to handle that problem.

      I wanted to see a visualization of the relative size comparison, so I used the data that was available on Wikipedia, but this data is approximate at best.

    • cron@feddit.deEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      The Fediverse is by design affected by inflated numbers. If one user uses three different services, the user is counted three times. However, for the Fediverse it doesn’t really matter - that number of total users is just as irrelevant like the total number of used email addresses.

  • atmur@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    I’m surprised that the fediverse is as popular as it is, I would’ve guessed <500k. That’s awesome. I’m also shocked that Threads is apparently that popular, I completely forgot it existed immediately after it launched. I also didn’t know that Snapchat still existed, so maybe I’m just out of touch on social media stuff.

    • TheMadnessKing@lemdro.idEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Mastodon is by the biggest contributor to Fediverse as a whole. Has been adopted by tons of Orgs like EU, W3C, Verge, Flipboard, etc.

    • rockSlayer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Facebook forgot it existed too, they just recently made it possible to delete threads accounts without deleting Instagram

      • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        Meta realized the same thing we all realized when we came here: userbase entrenchment is significantly more difficult to overcome nowadays than it was back in the 2000s when Facebook managed to pull everyone over from Myspace.

        Legitimately, it seems like the average user nowadays is so hellbent against even a modicum of inconvenience or a slightly less populated environment that they will accept literally anything. The big tech and social media platforms couldn’t shake off users if they tried anymore. They can do every every shitty, anti-user, anti-consumer thing under the sun and users will bitch about it, but never, ever try an alternative.

        And that’s why these companies and their devs don’t listen to feedback anymore. Why bother?

        • niisyth@lemmy.caEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          This is just factually untrue with the numbers lemmy by itself has being having. Not to say anything of Mastodon and et al. There wouldn’t be a mass exodus of highly engaged folks from reddit to lemmy if users just didn’t move anymore. Threads got big but then instantly deflated to a much lower number immediately.

          • ericjmorey@programming.devEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Active accounts on Lemmy instances is in the tens of thousands. I like it for the most part, but it’s not really a significant part of the 1.5 million in the graphic.

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      I’m just curious what you thought might have happened to Snapchat? What app took its place in your estimation?

      • atmur@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        I think I got Snapchat and Vine mixed up or combined in my head. I’ve never used either one, I thought it shut down years ago, but what I’m remembering is Vine shutting down.

        • dan@upvote.auEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Vine was basically TikTok with shorter videos. I feel like it was a bit ahead of its time - phone cameras weren’t as good when it launched, and a lot of people didn’t have enough data to watch a feed full of videos.

  • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.comEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    I know it’s not the full truth(maybe?) but I feel like we’re not attracting the worst kind.

    And you know what?

    One and a half million people, I can work with that. I know it’s not going to stay that number but it’s seriously enough for anyone, except some soul-less megacotp ofc.

    Yay! I love it!

  • Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    There’s no way reddit has more “real” users than Twitter // X. Maybe with bots but half the shit on reddit is a Twitter screen cap or repost.

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      1 year ago

      That’s a strange read on Reddit. I’ve heard people say this before, and it’s baffling.

      Reddit is, and always has been, a link aggregator first and foremost. Of course it’s reposts and screenshots of others sites. That’s kind of the point. To bring you Twitter so you don’t have to actually be on twitter.

    • 🐑🇸 🇭 🇪 🇪 🇵 🇱 🇪🐑@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Not to mention a supermajority of reddit users are inactive. Recap has shown that even with minimal activity, you end up in the top 1% of reddit users.

      That means reddit has roughly 5 million active users. Meanwhile nearly every person that creates a lemmy account, is active too.

      • poppy@lemm.eeEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        I suppose this is related to your “users are inactive” point but I also feel like it’s more common on Reddit to have multiple/alt accounts. Hell, in my time on Reddit I think I made 7+ accounts.

        • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          Why? I feel like that would be more common on Lemmy than anything. There is an actual point in using different instances here, I don’t see any point whatsoever on Reddit.

  • Bearsquad@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    So Facebook is:

    Boring Full of bots Soulless

    An we are:

    Real people mostly Engaged A cute little dot!

    Like someone said, 1,5M people are enough for me, specially if they are mostly active and it seems they are. Are they stats for mean user activity?

  • lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    I was reading the Wikipedia page linked just an hour ago.
    and I was surprised to see over a billion daily users on Facebook. I used to think at best that’d be in millions.

    I understand now that what do people mean when they day social media’s amplification of a certain message can have great impact. I used to take it lightly, partly because I an totally detached to any of these big platforms.

    and being on Lemmy is a wholly different experience.

  • Margot Robbie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    There is an interesting, and almost universal phenomenon on reddit that every time a subreddit gets past about 40,000 subscribers, the discussion quality immediately drops off a cliff, unless extremely harsh moderation policies are implemented to explicitly weed out low effort content which brings its own set of problems.

    My theory on why this occurs is the scaling power of moderation. I think you computer people are probably very familiar with the concept of scalability, and that size is its own challenge at the hyperscale. So for a centralized system like Twitter or Instagram or Facebook, moderation can only scale vertically, so a huge moderation team is needed to contend with the scale of these platforms alone, which also forces the need of personalized recommendation algorithms to promote this that are actually interesting to individual users.

    Reddit was able to partially avoid this phenomenon with the subreddit system, which means everyone was able to effectively manage their own, smaller subgroups who shares common interest without intervention from the site admin/mods to achieve a form of pseudo-horizontal scaling. You can also see the success of that with Facebook Groups, which are one of the few reasons why people still use Facebook for social media even though they do not want to interact with the current Facebook audience.

    Lemmy, and the rest of the fediverse platforms would suffer the problems even less, as now every group admin can now be completely independent from one another, which means that real horizontal scaling can be achieved and hopefully preserving the discussion quality to a degree as it grows.

    • jergy@lemmy.whynotdrs.orgOPEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      great comment!

      i tend to agree. i think the fediverse is probably the best model moving forward. it is a challenging problem!

  • zaphod@lemmy.caEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    I wonder how long it’ll take before we finally collectively reject the SV ethos that size is the only metric that matters and success is only achieved via monopoly…

    There was a time when Usenet and BBBses and IRC was tiny and yet people still found value through community in those places.

    Maybe, and I know this is a wild idea, platforms don’t have to include every human on the planet to be meaningful, relevant, or valuable.