Nope, leftism really does start with anti-capitalism. The depravity and immorality is baked into the system of capitalism, so morality is an important aspect in these discussions, but it’s really all about money at the end of the day. The hierarchies you’re referencing that existed before capitalism were still a result of wealth hoarding, and those that opposed these hierarchies were against the mass hoarding of wealth. Does that sound familiar? It should…
Ah yes the long term damages of Eurocommunism. The reason Europeans still get to enjoy free healthcare and stronger employee rights to this day. Terrifying.
Leftism starts with anti-authority and democracy, y’know with the left originating from those opposed to greater monarchical powers in the French government.
Left/Right is intrinsically linked to social issues, not simply economics.
Left/Right is linked to social issues, because those social issues are impacted by economics. Economics always comes first my friend.
The notion that “leftism starts with anti-authority and democracy” is not really a sentiment that is supported by academic works in any capacity. It doesn’t even hold up to extremely simple scrutiny. There are plenty of conservative democracies across the world.
Economics predates capitalism. I’m not only talking about the current economic system. Regardless of our primitive past, economics is here to stay and is integral to political analysis.
Only direct democracy can bring that.
Correct, you can’t have political democracy without economic democracy, hence: communism.
Authority comes from ownership of resources. Sound familiar?
Direct democracy does not require an economic system to exist.
That’s correct, but economics DO exist and must be manipulated in order to become stateless. You can’t just waive a magic wand and create a society. It has to come from what is materially present.
Anarchists have never achieved the notion you’re putting forward. It’s never been done. Socialists/communists have had real success.
“Might” comes from resources. I can’t make it any more simple for you.
Remind me, did anarchists industrialize an entire nation the size of a continent? Did they build a country of peasants into astronauts and scientists? Going toe to toe with big bad America?
Nope, leftism really does start with anti-capitalism. The depravity and immorality is baked into the system of capitalism, so morality is an important aspect in these discussions, but it’s really all about money at the end of the day. The hierarchies you’re referencing that existed before capitalism were still a result of wealth hoarding, and those that opposed these hierarchies were against the mass hoarding of wealth. Does that sound familiar? It should…
Ah yes the long term damages of Eurocommunism. The reason Europeans still get to enjoy free healthcare and stronger employee rights to this day. Terrifying.
Edit: lmao they deleted their comment 🤣
Leftism starts with anti-authority and democracy, y’know with the left originating from those opposed to greater monarchical powers in the French government.
Left/Right is intrinsically linked to social issues, not simply economics.
Left/Right is linked to social issues, because those social issues are impacted by economics. Economics always comes first my friend.
The notion that “leftism starts with anti-authority and democracy” is not really a sentiment that is supported by academic works in any capacity. It doesn’t even hold up to extremely simple scrutiny. There are plenty of conservative democracies across the world.
Authority predates economics. Authority is the root of all problems, economics in a capitalist sense are designed to maintain a hold on power.
Representative “Democracies” as they exist today are not anti-authority or even really a democracy. Only direct democracy can bring that.
Economics predates capitalism. I’m not only talking about the current economic system. Regardless of our primitive past, economics is here to stay and is integral to political analysis.
Correct, you can’t have political democracy without economic democracy, hence: communism.
And economics does not predate authority. Which was my claim, not capitalism or any other system of economics.
Direct democracy does not require an economic system to exist. Democracy is something we can employ from the grass-roots, hence anarchism.
Authority comes from ownership of resources. Sound familiar?
That’s correct, but economics DO exist and must be manipulated in order to become stateless. You can’t just waive a magic wand and create a society. It has to come from what is materially present.
Anarchists have never achieved the notion you’re putting forward. It’s never been done. Socialists/communists have had real success.
Authority comes from might.
Anarchists have success in the Chiapas and Rojava. MLs have never succeeded, they have only enslaved the people for the benefit of the new elite.
“Might” comes from resources. I can’t make it any more simple for you.
Remind me, did anarchists industrialize an entire nation the size of a continent? Did they build a country of peasants into astronauts and scientists? Going toe to toe with big bad America?
Oh they didn’t? Huh…