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    16 hours ago

    Authority comes from ownership of resources. Sound familiar?

    Direct democracy does not require an economic system to exist.

    That’s correct, but economics DO exist and must be manipulated in order to become stateless. You can’t just waive a magic wand and create a society. It has to come from what is materially present.

    Anarchists have never achieved the notion you’re putting forward. It’s never been done. Socialists/communists have had real success.

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      Authority comes from might.

      Anarchists have success in the Chiapas and Rojava. MLs have never succeeded, they have only enslaved the people for the benefit of the new elite.

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        “Might” comes from resources. I can’t make it any more simple for you.

        Remind me, did anarchists industrialize an entire nation the size of a continent? Did they build a country of peasants into astronauts and scientists? Going toe to toe with big bad America?

        Oh they didn’t? Huh…

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          Did Anarchists commit genocide?

          Did Anarchists annex neighbouring countries?

          Did Anarchists install and prop up puppet regimes?

          The only way communists went toe to toe with big bad America was by being equally as big bad.

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            Moving the goalposts I see…

            I have no interest in defending the morals of communist states. It’s merely an economic system that is the best equipped with dismantling capitalism.

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              You’re the one who moved the goal post when you presented economic growth as proof of the superiority of communism.

              Sorry my ethical standards don’t accept blood money.

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                My point anbout the USSR wasn’t only about economic growth. The USSR’s achievements go far beyond that.

                My ethical standards also dont accept those things, but the discussion was about economics, not ethics. You’re still confusing the two for some reason.

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                  My point is that the USSR achievements are irrelevant if the cost is human rights abuses and genocide.

                  The discussion was about authority. The root of all problems.

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                    Actually you would be wrong about their ethical achievements. Women’s rights flourished in the USSR. The first woman in space was a Soviet communist. Their art depicted Africans as noble and strong people while Americans and Europeans had their own perspective…

                    I would also consider their free healthcare and affordable housing to be ethical successes as well. Saving the world from Nazis is a big one too…