going on 10 years and 2 years intercession isnt helping and only 10 episodes each. plus the actors got really old for the show. 10 years 40 episodes only? shows suffered from such a low episode count per season, and multiple years.
orville is a another, 6 years and only 36 episodes very improper for a scifi series. although mcfarlanes case could be studio issues.
This makes the “content factory” accusation super confusing. What content? Like or hate the result, they’re taking their time developing the show, and aren’t branching off into a dozen spinoffs like I’d expect a “casualty of the franchise machine” to do.
Pretty sure its not even 10 episodes. Theyre like 7-8 a season.
They had one story to tell, and tried retelling it 4 more times.
and millie brown became a meme, because her lack of facial expression from all that botox. basically it became AOT series.
It’s insane that child has ANY work done. Fucking insane.
(I know she’s not literally a child anymore, but she does not have adult cosmetic surgery needs…)
yea she went o botox hard, its only going to backfire since botox will atrophy the muscles from lack of use, and she would have to continually get more.
Imo it already backfired. It already looks bad. I don’t mean to mean, it just looks so unnatural.
It was originally supposed to be an anthology, with different characters and stories each season, but the Netflix suits changed that.
I feel like they’re may be an overarching plot that was put in place early on, but the details never seemed to come together for me. Just the same thing over and over and over, trying (and for me failing) to up the stakes each time.
damn, that could have been so good. a series of unusual mysteries and sci-fi stories, all subtly linked to the central macguffin laboratory, or whatever government conspiracy is “behind the whole thing”.
they already have a whole alternate dimension to play with, so it doesn’t need to be contained to a single midwest town. they could set seasons in any part of the world, and make it a huge web, with a hyper local focus with new casts.
the more I think about it, the worse it gets; they had a perfect setup and didn’t go for it.
I was really excited for the anthology angle. The first season ended and I thought, like with love death and robots, if they could pull off that quality with a series of mostly unrelated supernatural stories they’d be filling a massive need I feel completely unsatisfied in.
Then season 2 came and honestly it never resonated with me the same way. I think television and movie folk struggle immensely with world building right now and that tends to reveal itself the longer an IP goes on. You meet the father, or the unique monster was actually one of many and now there’s a more powerful version but it’s red or something, or actually this new character was behind the whole thing, or what have you.
I wish they’d spend at least a 10th of what they spend on actors on writers. Like you know doomsday’s writers are getting paid 1/100th of what RDJ is getting paid. Star wars can’t even afford a writer it seems. Money and success should scale with all departments but it seems to me some of the most meaningful departments get shafted in lieu of fat returns for the owners.
But you see, we can us AI to rehash old plots, use the money we saved on writers to make either bigger booms, or fatter stocks. Hopefully both. Like Bo Burham said years ago,“art is dead”.
/boggle
And yet every season is awesome. Has more viewers each season, have rave reviews etch season… how exactly is it a casualty?
I agree… and the fact they are actually ending it here is a success when considering Murican IPs only die when they are hated by everyone (looking at you 11 seasons of The Walking Dead, with only 2 worth of content)
Yes, ideally it would have been 5 seasons in 5 years and call it a day, but I have found a lot of entertainment in the show story and style
Unironically, children. Stranger Things has been in production for ten years, the kids that were too young to watch when season 1 came out grew up hearing about it and then finally being able to watch it. If you see any of the ST communities online, it’s a huge mix of age groups, and I think the writers have had to dumb some stuff down for a younger, more casual, less 80s pop-culture attuned and nerdy audience.
Also, I wouldn’t say every season is awesome. S5 especially is very much suffering from 2nd screen writing issues that most Netflix shows have, but isn’t apparent in S1 and S2.
Well I do say every season is awesome.
That’s fine, I just disagree.
That’s why opinions are like assholes, we all have one lol
And all of them stink.
With that said, why are you watching the show?
It is in its fifth season it is what it is.
Donald Trump won the vote, twice.
Huh…
Guess it was a poor attempt at saying popularity and quality don’t always align, which is also why stuff like reality TV shows had higher ratings than what are considered critically acclaimed shows. Or why some people prefer watching streamers influencers than tv shows and movies, so viewership and correlation with quality don’t always match up. Logan Paul fights being huge viewership draws is an example.
Viewership is a metric that matters more to corporations after money than audiences who get satisfaction from whether they enjoyed the product than how many other people also enjoyed it. Which is why some things that were financial failures are still beloved by small group of fans that it resonated with it.
I do find though that TV shows seem really hard to figure out if it is good or not based on number values compared to movies. Have had to rely more on changing sentiment of viewers either bringing up how quality that initially drew them has stayed consistent or gotten worse by the season. Sometimes momentum keeps up just because of prior investment and wanting to see the end even if it got worse.
poor attempt
There’s no need to be rude.
I’m sorry please forgive me.
To further add to your bungling, Stranger Things has had high quality every season.
I didn’t make the initial comment. More made a guess as to what the previous person was trying to convey.
I watched until season 4, but felt like the quality has fallen though it did pick back up with Eddie who was a very memorable addition.
Did check out fans to see what people have been thinking about Season 5, and I’m not sure if I’ll return to finish the final season out since doesn’t seem fan reception has been great. Might end up joining the pile of shows like The Boys I dropped after Season 3. Gotten tired of the whole higher stakes than before but returning with more plot armor both shows trended towards.
I get it. Season 1 was a cool nostalgic 80s hit. The following seasons had some fun, and good characters. But as I started watching Season 5 I really struggled to care - its the same story again, except the novelty is wearing off and the kids aren’t as cute anymore. The fact that the whole opening scene was AI-generated Will Byers really turned me off. I havent finished it, maybe I will, but I don’t feel very motivated.
they got too old, apparently they were suppose to be episodic type of series, much like heros was suppose to be.
Season 1 wasnt just a cool nostalgic 80s hit. It was genuinely well written, shot and paced.
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I stand correctedEDIT: Nope, it was CGI.
For the opening scene, 11-year-old Luke Kokotek served as the body double for Noah Schnapp, who plays Will.
Deadline reported that the services of Weta FX were used to de-age Schnapp, following which his face was composited onto Kokotek.
https://thecinemaholic.com/will-ai-deaged-stranger-things-season-5/
I guess I’m the only person who just didn’t ever care for Stranger Things… because I was already familiar with the whole wild-ass Montauk Project conspiracy/schizophrenia ‘story’ its based on / adapted from / inspired by.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project
I went down a rabbit hole dive into this, years before the show came out, and ended up basically just disgusted with the actual human beings who concocted this whole story.
tldr: at least some of the people who collaborated to craft this whole story seem to me to be creepy sexual assaulters and groomers, who worked a lot of that into their strange, fan fiction / conspiracy theory version of history, which they then peddle as fact, making them grifters as well.
I’m having a hard time following this. The Duffer Bros are sex pests, or something specific to Montauk Project?
Preston Nichols, an author involved in the Montauk Project, was a gross pervert who wrote fanfics about young boys into his quackery literature.
I’m talking about the wackos who actually came up with the Montauk Project stories / personas, over the 80s and 90s, at various conspiracy / ufo conventions, and then eventually formalized it into a book.
Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, Peter Moon / Vincent Barbarick, Stewart Swerdlow.
I’ve never even seen the vast majority of the show, beyond an episode or two… three? … from the first season, and I quickly realized it was heavily based off of the Montauk story.
I’m not talking about specifically being disgusted by the Duffer bros.
I was so disgusted from diving into the story the show was based around, and the people behind that original story…
… again, before the show ever existed…
… that I just never wanted anything to do with anything related to that story, including basically a tv adaptation of it.
That makes sense, thanks!
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What a joyless shell of a human being this reviewer seems to be.
Let’s see them make literally anything half as good as the worst episode of Stranger Things
Let’s see them make literally anything half as good as the worst episode of Stranger Things
This is the kind of sentiment that I frequently hear come out during the Olympics. “I bet that judge can’t do even a quarter of what they’re giving a poor score to.” As though somehow being able to create or perform is a necessary component of being able to critique.
I am not creative enough to write a good story, but that doesn’t mean I don’t recognize components of a good story when I see them. Critiquing and creating are completely different disciplines. Understanding the basics of either is important for succeeding at the other, but expertise in either is not necessary for expertise in the other.
There’s a way to critique something that actually explores the nuance of it, and then there’s just saying that something is “bad” or has “declined in quality”. It doesn’t give anything. You don’t have to be a musician to have an opinion on music, but you’d better at least be able to articulate a meaningful position if you expect people to read paragraphs upon paragraphs of your opinions.
This isn’t a thoughtful analysis that demonstrates an understanding of the nuances or story structure or that intelligently explores the strengths and weaknesses of each season. It’s someone who has nothing meaningful to say spouting their opinion with as much fluff as possible, and passing judgement on something they wouldn’t be capable of meaningfully contributing to if given a century.
The only really substantial criticism presented here is the idea that the show is more into its own lore than the author is interested in. That’s less a statement about the show than the author’s tastes, but it’s at least substantive. It’s something other than just pointing and saying bad. “Costlier but inferior” followed by a brief plot recap is not a meaningful artistic critique. Arguably, though, even their actual meaningful criticism that it’s too into its own story is a pretty weak one. Every show isn’t meant to be easily accessible to people who aren’t caught up, and every show doesn’t need plot-light episodes.
There’s a lot to be said about Stranger Things as an example of an influential show that’s very much wrapped up in its own story, but this spends a whole lot of time managing not to find any of it.
TL;DR I’m not a professional chef but I know what tastes good.
yes and that is perfectly valid… what isn’t IMO is taking something that may have earned some critique but portraying it like it would be better to get cancer and die in a slow agonizing death than watching a show with flaws.
It is just a sad attempt to seem edgy
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What a joyless shell of a human being this reviewer seems to be.
I think all reviewers end here… seems to follow the same cliche as all psychologist becoming crazy in the end
A good media critic needs to be able to actually explore the nuances of a piece of fiction and bring some genuine insight to the table. Nobody wants a Jay Sherman.
exactly right!.. I mean, it is their job to find flaws, but they need to keep perspective.
if I wanted to know if something is the holy grail or dog shit as the only 2 alternatives, I’d get my reviews from facebook
